Box rest hunger strike

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Poor old Monty's on box rest. He came in hopping lame on Tuesday night, the vet saw him yesterday and he suspects some sort of injury to the suspensory ligament. He's 25 but was fit and healthy before this so all we care about at the moment is getting him comfortable enough to be in the field with Archie but even that means an initial 6 weeks box rest and we'll take it from there. He's a model patient in that he'll box rest very quietly, will go out in hand for some grass and not get in the slightest bit wound up but he tends to go on hunger strike when he's on box rest. He'll eat hard feed and won't lift his head from the grass when he's being hand grazed (we're aiming for 3 times a day for about 30 mins a time, luckily there are a few of us to do this) but will only eat about 1/2 the hay he should, and doesn't drink much either. He's never been one to eat much hay in the stable but he's normally out 12 hours a day on fairly decent (even in winter) grass so it doesn't matter.

We need to tempt him to eat more than he is at the moment. To complicate matters, we were told by the dentist last week that he shouldn't eat any short chop fibre as he's getting it stuck between his teeth and it's causing problems with his gums so any sort of chaff is out. The dentist recommended grass nuts but he can't have them due to his sugar allergy. He's currently eating high fibre cubes with a lot of water added (and he'll slurp the excess water up when the cubes are finished) and a tiny handful of very sloppy wet sugar beet to get Danilon into him (it's the only way to get drugs into him). Any bright ideas to make sure he eats enough please? Any really tasty haylage that he'll find irresistable? High energy is ok as long it's not ridiculously high in sugar. We've got some apple juice to add to his water but again have to be careful sugar wise so can't give him too much of that.

Hopefully, in a few weeks we can sort him a pen in the field so he'll have a bit more time on the grass but at the moment he needs to move as little as possible and the area we could do it is quite a distance away.
 

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Fingers crossed for Monty, I always like hearing about his escapades!

Would he eat the blue or purple Horsehage? The green one will be too high in sugar I think but my fussy one has always loved all of them - I think it’s because she knows how much more they cost than a normal bale! ?
 

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Making the hay tastier might help, if he likes the apple juice pop some in a spray bottle and squirt it all over the hay, salt water sprayed on hay works a treat too.
Or if you're feeding from the floor sprinkling your sugar beet on top so they end up eating the hay as they're picking out the good stuff.
 

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Fingers crossed for Monty, I always like hearing about his escapades!

Would he eat the blue or purple Horsehage? The green one will be too high in sugar I think but my fussy one has always loved all of them - I think it’s because she knows how much more they cost than a normal bale! ?

It's worth a try, we could get a bale of each to see. Thanks.
 

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Making the hay tastier might help, if he likes the apple juice pop some in a spray bottle and squirt it all over the hay, salt water sprayed on hay works a treat too.
Or if you're feeding from the floor sprinkling your sugar beet on top so they end up eating the hay as they're picking out the good stuff.

That sounds like a genius idea! Thanks - yes if we can get him to eat the hay that's a big part as we can get water into him with sloppy feeds.
 

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My lad really likes Country Haylage. It's high fibre and low sugar but smells pretty tasty and is generally quite soft too so hopefully would be easy for Monty to eat. There are a couple of places in Bridgend that stock it if you can't get it closer to home and that's not too far for you.

Depending on how much sugar he can tolerate Meadow Magic grass nuts are a lower sugar version and they're very tasty too. You can order those direct from Emerald Green who make them and they turn up really quickly.
 

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My lad really likes Country Haylage. It's high fibre and low sugar but smells pretty tasty and is generally quite soft too so hopefully would be easy for Monty to eat. There are a couple of places in Bridgend that stock it if you can't get it closer to home and that's not too far for you.

Depending on how much sugar he can tolerate Meadow Magic grass nuts are a lower sugar version and they're very tasty too. You can order those direct from Emerald Green who make them and they turn up really quickly.
Thanks - Im guessing it's HFS that stock it? It might be an excuse for a lockdown legal road trip! Arthur John is our closest store since Countrywide has gone so Bridgend isn't that much further. How much sugar he can take is trial and error - we try to stick below 5% sugar but he seems to manage a bit higher in more natural forms. The problem at this time of year is grass and he'll be having less of that so might cope with a bit more in other forms.
 

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Thanks - Im guessing it's HFS that stock it? It might be an excuse for a lockdown legal road trip! Arthur John is our closest store since Countrywide has gone so Bridgend isn't that much further. How much sugar he can take is trial and error - we try to stick below 5% sugar but he seems to manage a bit higher in more natural forms. The problem at this time of year is grass and he'll be having less of that so might cope with a bit more in other forms.

Yes, both HFS and Mole stock it. I usually get it from Mole but I don't know why! It's only about £6 a bale so not to pricey either :)

It's a sign of the times when a trip to Bridgend is something to get excited about!
 

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Can you make him a small pen in the field instead of stabling? That's what I did with mine post colic surgery.
Eventually yes but at the moment he's too lame to walk that far. He only has to go about 5m to reach some grass to pick at, the area he could have a pen is about 100m away.
 

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That's a shame. Can you not pen him up on the patch where you hand graze him? It sounds like maybe that isn't possible for some reason.
 

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Yes, both HFS and Mole stock it. I usually get it from Mole but I don't know why! It's only about £6 a bale so not to pricey either :)

It's a sign of the times when a trip to Bridgend is something to get excited about!

As someone whose entire family are from Bridgend (Mum and Dad moved closer to Cardiff just before I was born) I definitely appreciate the irony in that!
 

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That's a shame. Can you not pen him up on the patch where you hand graze him? It sounds like maybe that isn't possible for some reason.
No, it's just a bank at the side of the stables unfortunately. Ideal for picking at grass but not for standing on.

ETA - the area where he stands to pick at the bank is gravel and where people park so we can't leave him there.
 
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If he can eat grass then he can eat grass nuts surely? Emerald green seem to be the lowest sugar ones I've been able to find

As I said, the sugar thing is trial and error with him. If he eats too much he gets a horrible scabby rash on his back legs - like mud fever but it's not affected by mud. For 80% of the year the grass is fine. In Spring, and occasionally in Autumn it sets his legs off.

Grass nuts, however, set his legs off all the time, even the lowest sugar ones.
 

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Fast Fiber? Low sugar and low calorie

Thanks - yes he eats this very happily and we're going to get him some (it's more or less the same as the high fibre cubes but soaks a lot faster) but we're also after stuff that will take him a long time to eat, both in terms of boredom and gut health.
 

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can you up his sugar beet while you are figuring out the hay conundrum? We used to use it as a partial hay replacer with a horse on a yard in the past. I'm shovelling it into my TB at the moment and he doesn't eat it very quickly.
 

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can you up his sugar beet while you are figuring out the hay conundrum? We used to use it as a partial hay replacer with a horse on a yard in the past. I'm shovelling it into my TB at the moment and he doesn't eat it very quickly.

It sets his legs off too (only the molassed stuff will do in terms of getting drugs into him). At the end of the day, a scabby itchy rash is better than ulcers or colic so if there's no alternative we can but obviously if we can avoid it that's best. We've never tried him on the unmolassed sugar beet but he might like it.
 

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If you mixed a low sugar chaff into fast fibre would it bulk it up without getting stuck in his teeth. Might be worth a try?

Also another vote for low sugar HorseHage, I've never known a horse that didn't love it.
 

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Simple systems haycare may work well for you. They are big pellets that soak down really well and are very low sugar. Their purabeet is also good. I have a sugar addict horse that I weaned from molassed beet to unmolassed by buying a squeezy bottle of blackstrap molasses from the supermarket and adding it in ever decreasing amounts to purabeet so that might be worth a try, and you can still add molasses for medication if needed.
 

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Might readigrass be an option if grass pellets aren't? Mine adore it and it keeps them busy for a while. If fact, have realised I haven't bought any for a while so I might indulge for once!
 

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Good news - not only was Monty remarkably improved when I saw him last night (gone from being on 3 legs to almost walking normally in a straight line and only slightly lame on the turn) he'd eaten the best part of a full net of hay and drunk half a bucket of water. He's done box rest a few times before and this is the first time he's ever eaten relatively normally. It's still not enough but it's more than he's eaten before.
 
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