breaking laws and splitting hairs...

[Doreys_Mum]

I have to say... dispite the number of times he feels compelled to do so, AA's insistance of breaking the law raises some thoughts in my mind...

Lawbreaking, on the whole, is not ok....

But who can stand there and say they've never done it?

Who can say they've never sped? Never scoffed something whilst driving? Never used their phone whilst driving? Never had a bonfire before a certain time? Never tresspassed?

I have sped, I have eaten whilst driving, I have used my phone whilst driving, I've had bonfires whenever I felt like it, I've tresspassed all over the place, I've even used an air rifle without an adult present under the age of 14...

They're not less serious than one another, are they... they're all there for people's safety... but people think it's perfectly okay to break them all the time.

Pros and antis...

And then there are those most famous of antis. They assult, they intimadate, they tresspass, they cause harm to animals, they steal.... and yet suddenly they have this god given right to ship the pros for killing foxes with a couple of hounds?

Call me pendantic (or whatever it is...) but surely he with no sins should cast the first stone... and who of us can stand and say they have broken no law?

 

[Peta]

There's a difference between one-off and/or individual naughtiness and large-scale organised flouting of laws. If this latter is done openly in the belief that the law is wrong - as was promised by the tens of thousands who signed the Hunting Declaration - I have some respect for that; but when these people break the law in a furtive and deceitful way, I have little time for them, ESPECIALLY when many of them signed the now utterly discredited Hunting Declaration.

 

[Hercules]

The law is being flouted by thousands of people every week.
Who cares? Not the police or CPS. It seems that it is only the little people from LACS or PETA who are interested.

 

[CARREG]

I signed the declaration and would have stood by it, but the labour party in their wisdom realised terrierwork was a quick humane method of fox control and decided not to ban it................Carreg

 

[Peta]

I believe "carreg" means "rock" in Welsh. Is that how you see yourself?

 

[Peta]

It's not the flouting so much which concerns me for the moment, it's the deceit and lying.

 

[Hercules]

Peta,

I see you as something that rhymes with 'rock'.

 

[Peta]

You see me as a badger?

 

[Hercules]

''It's not the flouting so much which concerns me for the moment, it's the deceit and lying.''

Why do you think that anyone cares what concerns you?

 

[Peta]

I hope you've done your homework, young man!

 

[Ereiam_jh]

"If this latter is done openly in the belief that the law is wrong ... I have some respect for that."

Do you think people should be prosecuted just because they openly break the Hunting Act, if they don't think what they are doing is cruel, or do you think they should be allowed to brreak the law for reasons of principle?

 

[lucecaldicott]

''It's not the flouting so much which concerns me for the moment, it's the deceit and lying.''

but there is no deceit and lying. can you not see AA openly sdmitting he does it? and many of the rest of us are too! my dog has caught many a wild mammal since the ridiculous law was passed, especially mice, which aren't exempt. (they are too cute to be exempt i suppose)

 

[Ereiam_jh]

I think they have a real problem is with people breaking the law in the 'wrong' way. If there was to be any law breaking then they wanted it to be people on horse back and in red coats with packs of hounds riding after foxes.

Of course much, probably most flushing out and chasing of wild mammals isn't actually done by the hunts but by individuals going out with a few dogs. Very very few, quite possibly none have altered their behaviour in any way. I was probably one of the very few who did as for a while I stopped my dogs chasing the deer we flushed out. I don[t even do this any more, what's the point? I'm committing a crime anyway. I just let the dogs go full tilt after the deer nowadays.

It's ridiculous to prosecute people just for letting their dogs chase wild mammals. Every one knows this. It is only LACS and the Government who refuse to publicly acknowledge this simple fact that is staring them in the face.

The Emporer has no clothes.

The Hunting Act is a ludicrous, deeply farcical piece of legislation. It is a disgrace to our legal system.

The law does not discriminate on the grounds of cruelty, nort does it discriminate between the hunts and individuals chasing wild mammals.

There is no way they will ever prosecute me, despite the fact that I chase wild deer with my dogs. This is for one very simple reason; I don't have to even chase deer to be breaking the law. All I have to do is flush them out and, if I don't shoot the deer then I am a criminal. They know this is absurd. They cannot prosecute me because if they did I would stick two fingers up and carry on flushing out deer with my dogs.

Everyone is above this law and anyone with a dog can and should go out and break it with impunity. If I was anti fox hunting I would still openly break this law because it is an affront to common sense.

 

[RunToEarth]

but when these people break the law in a furtive and deceitful way, I have little time for them, ESPECIALLY when many of them signed the now utterly discredited Hunting Declaration.
.........
Hunters dont need to be deceitful, the law could sit there all day with a flask of hot coffee watching hounds work, and not distiguish between a hound hunting live quarry or a duster.

 

[wurzel]

"There's a difference between one-off and/or individual naughtiness and large-scale organised flouting of laws. If this latter is done openly in the belief that the law is wrong - as was promised by the tens of thousands who signed the Hunting Declaration - I have some respect for that; but when these people break the law in a furtive and deceitful way, I have little time for them, ESPECIALLY when many of them signed the now utterly discredited Hunting Declaration."

Do you respect me?

I did not sign the hunting declaration and I hunt blatantly and freely admit it.

You can't get much more honest than that?