Breeding from my Golden Retriever Dog

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I would like to breed from my Golden Retriever dog but have no idea how to go about this kind of thing. Really it's because we want some of his puppies rather than making money from it.

He's just turned 10, but is a very young, fit looking dog.
He was bred in Czech Rep. We bought him when we lived in Dubai.
He has papers with a line of Ch. working dogs (don't really know what this is)
Showed him at Dubai's Pedigree Chum Annual Dog Show judged by a Lady judge who has judged the supreme at Crufts. He won the Gundog section and went Reserve Champ to a Rottweiler. She recommended showing him, but we never did.
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He is a Golden colour rather than the very white retrievers I see in this country or the red ones in USA.
He is quite a solid built dog rather than the finer-boned types I see around.
He is about 1cm over breed standard height I think.
He has not had any health/hip problems.
He is not KC registered.

So how do I find a willing Golden lady?
He is such a lovely, kind, loyal dog that has been nothing but a pleasure to have. It would be such a shame not to breed from him.
 
Most pedigree Retriever owner wouldn't want their bitch mated wiith an unregistered dog as the pups could then not be registered and wouldn't be worth as much. Most responsible breeders would also want him hip and eye scored (before even considering breeding). TBH honest there enough pups without people breeding more, just because they like their dog!!
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TBH I would definitely not recommend using a dog at stud for the first time at 10 years old. I'm sorry that this sounds very negative, but it is quite an age for him to be trying to discover what sex is all about, particularly if he is not going to be used at stud again.

Could you perhaps find another retriever with similar breeding to his, and get a relation of his that way? I can completely understand you wanting another retriever which is as like him as possible
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Plus if he is not KC registered then it may be more difficult to find good homes for all the puppies, and you may find that people with suitable quality golden retriever bitches would want to use a sire which is KC reg, as they might well want to breed for the show ring.

Sorry to be negative, these are just my initial thoughts on your question, others may have different ideas. He sounds like a lovely boy though
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Advertise locally but you may find some people reluctant because of not being registered. You may be able to come arrangement but, in credit crunch times, people may want some financial contribution. Also at 10 maybe a bit old, fertility affected etc. Not quite sure about your reasons if you have left it so long.
 
I'm not sure breeding is a good idea... you will find it very difficult to find someone with a good quality bitch that would breed to an unregistered dog. At the risk of sounding like a right grump, please please don't breed from him without having his hips/elbows scored, how would you feel if he produced a litter of 10 puppies that all had arthritis by the age of two? Just because he doesn't show any symptoms doesn't mean he doesn't carry the genes for it. I would love to have bred my GSD, but there are just too many factors that would make life difficult for the puppies so please think very carefully.
 
Thanks everyone, I thought that not being KC registered might be a problem, but thought maybe if someone had a bitch that also wasn't registered we might be able to come to some kind of agreement.

I guess I hadn't thought that 10 might be too old as he is so 'young' physically and mentally, but age must affect other things.
Would it be cruel to breed from him now?

We've been talking about breeding from him for the last 5 years but as with everything in my family, it never ends up happening. (It was always discussed two of my childhood ponies would be bred from, it never happened much to everyones regret) That is why I thought I would have a look in to the options myself. Unfortunately too late though it seems.
 
Thanks Jules1982.

This is the kind of advice that I posted for really. Of course, I wouldn't want to breed any potentially unhealthy puppies. That would be terrible.

If breeding a litter from him, I would get this done.

However, everyone has posted quite strongly that it's a bad idea, which I appreciate after hearing their views / reasons. Again, exactly why I posted on here.
 
I wouldn't.

There are lots of reasons not to. Most of them already stated by others.

Nice that you want to keep his puppies, but at this time, and over the next year or so, people are going to be reining in any unnecessary spend and therefore its likely that the pups you cant sell will be homeless unless you or the bitch's owner keeps them.

Not fair to burden the shelters that are already at crisis point.

Its a lovely idea to breed from him but I dont think its practical.
 
I have often wished that I had registered Jasper as a stud dog as he has been the most amazing pet for the last 13 years. So healthy and like a spring chicken too. No one can quite believe the dog that jumps over the back of the settee is an old man!

I do regret it, in some ways, but then I've not met another Cocker who isn't just as daft, affectionate and lovable too. I'm sure he's not especially nice, just a typical example of the breed.

To the same extent, I have never met a Golden Labrador or a retriever who wasn't lovable, affectionate, good with children and well mannered too. A pup will never be a replacement for yours or my beloved pets when they've gone, whether they carry their actual genes or not.

You will find another dog in the future, when the time comes, that will hold that special place in your heart, just as he has done for the last 10 years. It's probably better, in some ways, that we don't have a genetic link to compare any future pets to. Our boys will be a hard act to live up to. Let any new dog we have of the same breed be an individual....well that's what I'm telling myself to make me feel better!
 
Just to add what others have said, I really wouldn't recommend breeding from him. Most active stud dogs are retired before they reach 10, his fertility will have decreased and if he has never been used before he probably won't be a very keen stud dog. Even if you did have his hips and elbows scored they would probably not give a true picture, as like people dogs joints do deteriorate with age. If you have his papers you should be able to trace breeders who have similar lines, this would imo be a better way of geting a pup carrying his lines.
 
Just wanted to say thanks for being open minded and for doing your research, I have a bee in my bonnet about dog breeding at the moment and it's nice to hear someone weighing up their options and doing the best for their chosen breed.... Britain is over whelmed by unwanted, unhealthy dogs that face a life behind bars, on lifetime medication or being PTS.... just watch Pedigree Dogs Exposed if you need any more incentive to do health checks!! Good luck with what you deicde and keep us posted! (oh, and it is customary to post lovely cute pictures of said hound, especially something as adorable as a retriever!!
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^^^^^^ what they all said.

He is your pride and joy, not having him procreate isn't going to change that, enjoy him.

My two are bred in the purple, registered etc etc but it is looking highly unlikely I will be breeding from either of them, and it doesn't bother me.
 
I wouldn't mind using an older stud dog.
I bred my Jonna this spring, and the only thing I had on Teddy's minus account, was that he was only 6 years old. I would have preferred a stud dog around 9 years of age, but Teddy was the best match in all other ways, so Teddy it was.

I think if you want better chances on breeding a long lived dog, and since old bitches shouldn't be used, using an old, healthy and still fertile stud dog is one of the things you could try.



But, as others have said, first you need proof that his hip, elbows and eyes are okay. Why not X-ray him, if the score is bad, you don't need to think any further about what if/think if.

Does he have proper papers from the Czech Rep.? The Cesko Moravská Kynologická Unie is affiliated to FCI, http://www.cmku.cz/
So if the Kennel Club doesn't accept his papers, maybe you could transfer them to another FCI club, that your Kennel Club accepts?


Because if his test result is good, and you could make the puppies registrable, preferably in KC, but otherwise in a foreign Kennel Club, then he MIGHT be considered as an interesting genetic possibility.



Otherwise, I'll follow the majority as it seems, and advice you not to try and breed him.

My first dog, Nessie, decided when she was around 5 years old, that looking after my mother was her mission in life (about six months later, my mother developed rheumatism). When Nessie died 2005, my mother was really heartbroken. Some months later, I bought a new dog, the whole litter turned out to have paper-names with the meaning "The lord have had mercy upon us". And though she didn't take over Nessie's work, my mother feels Jonna has lived up to her name.


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I very much doubt you will find a bitch owner who would use him as a stud dog, even if he was hip scored etc.

When looking for a stud most owners look closely at the pedigree and the lines. If your dog isn’t KC registered then his background cannot be verified.

We breed Weimaraners and despite having waiting lists are struggling to sell our current litter of pups due to people on our list changing their minds in the current economic climate. For this reason we will not be using our stud dog on other peoples bitches for the foreseeable future.

The stud dog owner has a responsibility for the pups too, so could you cope with the bitch owner not having time or space for unsold pups and you having to take them in? Or dogs coming back in future that need rehoming?

There is a lot to think about when owning a stud dog, its not just a case of taking the money and running!
 
Most bitch owners, particularly first timers or not very experienced rely on the stud dog owners advice during pregnancy, whelping and rearing puppies. It is all part of the service.

Also actual mating is often not straight forward. Some of the sweetest bitches can turn into the bitch from hell during mating.
 
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