breeding lines too close?

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I have a mare with artic que in her bloodlines and a stallion has it as his great great grandfather, is this too close a bloodline to bread from ?
 
My new yougster has the same grandsire on both sides. Ferro.
He is a gelding and one hell of a horse. Dam lines are very different and , funnily enough looks very like Ferro. What a surprise!!
 
What's the name of that stallion that's by William Curtis and out of a mare also by William Curtis? No, that was not a typo!! Can't remember the name though.

There are TB's out there with Northern Dancer as the paternal Grandsire and maternal grandsire - they are still bred to horses that also carry ND.
 
The William Curtis stallion is a whole different ballgame as his line is being purposefully inbred and linebred. My mare has Arctic Que in her pedigree as well - in fact she was bred at Brendon stud and is now about to be put in foal herself...unfortunately she cannot go to any of their homebred stallions as is too closely related to all of them.
Within reason I would not mind crossing pedigree lines however I I think they should be a few generations apart or at least if both sides of the pedigree contain Arctic Que for instance then I don't think there should be too many incrossings throughout the rest of the recent generations.
 
If you follow a lot of the lines back you'll find Arctic Que, in fact one year at Badminton no less than 14 of those entered had him in their pedigree (info from a book on ID by Alex Fell)
Our bloodline has him too from the Knock Boy side.
I am starting to enjoy researching bloodlines, to my amazement I discovered Chocolate our other stallion has anglo arab in there...Now I know where that pretty head comes from!
I try not to get near than four generations to each other if I can..
Somewhere however is the gene producing those super jumping horses, and it may well be the Artic Que factor..
I think I'd risk it..
 
ithink you just have to be carefull how close and what you intend to breed i have a mare who's grandfather is Rubenstein and i couldnt use anything by rubenstein to breed her with as it would of been too much - im sure if she has a filly then i may be able to use rubenstein in that if carefull and choose the correct stallion with a good dam line also !!

remember its not just the stallion you have to think very careful about the dam breeding too as they do pass a lot on to the foal !!
 
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The William Curtis stallion is a whole different ballgame as his line is being purposefully inbred and linebred.

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I know! That is not my point. The point being that it is possible to successfully inbreed/linebreed very closely!!
 
Oh I agree it is possible and the compteition results speak for themselves. What I am worried about is 10 years from now and many generations down the line....what the heck will they be producing!? Things could go beautifully and each to their own but the possible implications are not that great IMO
 
Oh I totally hear you! Could part of the problems with the modern TB be all the father to daughter & mother to son breeding that was common place at the turn of the last century? Who knows....
 
I have found out how far back Artic Que is in both

Stallion has Arctic que as his Great, great, grandsire

Mare has Artic Que as Grandsire

Do you think this shall be ok ?
 
That is enough of a gap for me to feel comfortable with this breeding to be honest.
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Arabs are all very in-bred - if you go back in the pedigrees you find the same horses over and over - but this has been the case for centuries, from back when they were bred by Beduoin tribes in the desert. It is what gives them their genetic strength/prepotency apparently.

Several of the breeders sending mares to my Arab stallion are deliberately line-breeding to one or another of the champions in his pedigree. Arab breeders do a lot of line-breeding.

The important thing, according the to the experts I've consulted, is that the horse you are line-breeding to should be an outstanding individual with no inheritable conformation flaws, AND that this individual's own pedigree should be equally flawless! (Within reason, obviously - there being no such thing as a 'perfect' horse.)

So I would look at Arctic Cue and his parents/grandparents etc. very closely, as theirs are the qualities that are likely to be 'fixed' or emphasised by line-breeding to him. But you are not talking about very close-up line-breeding here, so if these are good lines it should be OK.
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Lipizzaners have a very limited gene pool too they are very line bred and it is a totally 'closed' book.
At least the warm blood books look to each other now for blood lines and. I feel so long as there is some 'out ' breeding then to have some is not really such an issue.
Also by using graded stock a lot has been done to pay attension to reducing congenital weakness so line breeding to a certain extent is not an issue.
i know that my chap seems pretty good and very sound both physically and mentally
 
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