Breeding... what colour will my mares foal be?

[Spot_the_Risk]

Hi, I have an appaloosa x Welsh D mare, in foal to a chesnut welsh D stallion. The mare has appaloosa skin markings, but has whited out with age, and I don't know for sure what colour her spots were although she has a few brown hairs on her. Her sire was a bay, with a mixture of colours in his bloodline.

The stallion she has gone to (McIlveen Mattie if you are interested!) is chesnut, and shows a lot of cream/palamino/buckskin in his line.

As Matties first foal is a chesnut with the requiste blaze and 4 socks, I guess I will get a chesnut - or will it be diluted to palamino? And wat is the likelyhood of it having spots!?

Hoping those with horse genetics interest are on line today!

 

[Enfys]

Hello and Welcome by the way.
Pictures please.
I'm no expert, Druid and Chambon are members who spring to mind instantly for this sort of thing. Was the mares first foal by the same chestnut stallion? What colour exactly is she? A grey? (with spots) I wonder if a white/grey appaloosa is dominant in the same way that grey is?

You could try this link:

tp://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator1.asp?Error=1

When is the foal due? Good Luck

 

[henryhorn]

Welcome, sadly I don't know the answer to your question, but I bet someone on here will do! (do I get brownie points for introducing new members?

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[diondelmonte]

Think there will be a 50% chance of spots as well as a 50% chance of the foal going grey. As far as palomino goes - unless your mare was cream or palomino before she grey'd out then she won't produce a dilute foal - the sire cannot pass on cream unless he is showing it himself, irrelevant of how much cream in his lines.

You could end up with bay, chestnut or black depending on the mares original colour with a chance of spots & a chance of going grey - think it will be one of those wait & see jobbies!

 

[Spot_the_Risk]

Thanks Dion, the more research I do the more I haven't a clue, good that someone else has come up with the same idea, albeit with a lot more knowledge than me! Hope there are some spots involved! Only 6 weeks to wait...

 

[Chambon]

Firstly, welcome to the forum!

Mmm, this is an interesting one! Do you have an old picture of your mare you could put up here for me (or mail to me if you prefer?). Without knowing the type of appy markings she had its hard to determine how dominant her APap genes are. If you don't have a picture, can you remember what marks/spots/shades she had before she greyed out? Also, do you know the colour of both of her parents? Could she be carrying the grey gene?

If you can provide a bit more info I will have a stab at predicting your foal's colour (although there are no guarantees!

). One thing for sure though, you won't be blessed with a dilute foal I'm afraid.

 

[Spot_the_Risk]

Hi, I haven't been able to work out how to post pics on this site! I can send you pics of Risky to your email if you let me have the address? Her sire was bay, and his parents were chesnut sire and bay roan mare. The next generation was chesnut/black/cream/dun (Scole Morhys and Byefields Golden Boy). The appaloosa side I am having trouble with, and apart from knowing the dam was a few spot, don't know the colour of the spots. We only got Risky once she had lost her colour, but occasionally a few brown hairs appear. Her skin is completely mottled all over the body, black and pink, including eyes, muzzle, genitals etc, striped hooves etc. The coat colour is now completely white.

 

[freckles22uk]

Hi, its sounds like the dam was a grey rather than a few spot, (or was born few spot and faded) and has carried the grey gene to your mare, as it cannot skip a generation, so you have a chance that you could get a spotted or non spotted foal they also carries the grey gene, (50% chance)
Colour/markings wise you could get anything, thats the interesting thing with spotties,
Most Appaloosa breeders frown upon putting greys to spotties for this reason,
but good luck with the foal
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