Bring back capital punishment!
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zefragile
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Horrible, absolutely horrible, but I will move to another country if they bring back capital punishment.
Kat
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Isn't this rather old news........
Ignition
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no, put on a news channel. We knew he'd been arrested but it wasn't revealed what for until now.
Luci07
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Awful about Jon Venables, but the answer is NOT a knee jerk reaction and bringing back capital punishment. It has been proven time and time again that is it does not put people off - has made no difference to the numbers in jails in the US counties where it is still "used". On the basis that our judical systems makes mistakes, I am not prepared to vote for a system where this could happen. Look at the last 2 people hung in this country - Ruth Ellis - murdered her unfaithful lover - would CP have stopped that? and Derek Bentley - hung because he was the right age, even though he was mentally incapicatated.
Kat
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hmm sure I heard that it was for child porn not long after it happened.
To be honest capital punishment is just too difficult to work in a just way. The americans end up with prisoners sitting on death row for years on end while they go through all the appeals etc.
It is no cheaper than giving them life because housing death row inmates and dealing with the legal challenges is more of a problem. Death row prisoners are also notoriously dangerous to manage because they don't have any thing worse to fear.
Personally I couldn't live with the thought of sending someone to death and it possibly being the wrong decision. Imagine if we had not abolished the death penalty back in the sixties, what would have happened to the birmingham six??? Or Stephen Downing??
To be honest capital punishment is just too difficult to work in a just way. The americans end up with prisoners sitting on death row for years on end while they go through all the appeals etc.
It is no cheaper than giving them life because housing death row inmates and dealing with the legal challenges is more of a problem. Death row prisoners are also notoriously dangerous to manage because they don't have any thing worse to fear.
Personally I couldn't live with the thought of sending someone to death and it possibly being the wrong decision. Imagine if we had not abolished the death penalty back in the sixties, what would have happened to the birmingham six??? Or Stephen Downing??
pastie2
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I must admit to initially thinking that that dreadful boy should have been taken out of society for ever, but, having read your very illuminating post, I tend to agree with you.
perfect11s
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Castration....... that's the way to fix perverts and sex ofenders.....
chessy
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I'm very strongly against capital punishment for reasons already mentioned in this thread, though I'd probably support public hanging on Tower Hill for everyone featured on that Super Sweet 16 TV programme.
Spudlet
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Totally agree with this. ^^
Berpisc
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No I think we are better off without capital punishment for the good reasons stated on this thread. Castrations sounds promising though.
What really galls me is the money it has taken to set this creature up with a new life, for him to indulge in further vile criminal activity. Maybe if he is found guilty he could be stripped of that. I dont suppose for one moment that would happen, but it would reflect the violation of those children whose images have been used.
What really galls me is the money it has taken to set this creature up with a new life, for him to indulge in further vile criminal activity. Maybe if he is found guilty he could be stripped of that. I dont suppose for one moment that would happen, but it would reflect the violation of those children whose images have been used.
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pastie2
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Of course!!!! castrations, good idea. Thats the way forward!
LynneB
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the prisoner executed last week had been on death row for 25 years! I honestly cannot see how that is the way to go, as opposed to life meaning life. The amount of money his endless appeals would have cost would have been paid by the tax payer.
I do think life should mean life, with no chance of parole. I don't agree with capital punishment as so many are still being released, decades later for crimes they did not commit. I also don't agree with it as most of these people, Ian Huntley etc, would rather die and maintain control, than live as captives. I would rather see them endure captivity for a very long time, where they have no control at all.
I do think life should mean life, with no chance of parole. I don't agree with capital punishment as so many are still being released, decades later for crimes they did not commit. I also don't agree with it as most of these people, Ian Huntley etc, would rather die and maintain control, than live as captives. I would rather see them endure captivity for a very long time, where they have no control at all.
BBH
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If a life sentence truly meant a life sentence and no privileges and hard labour then yes fair enough, but I think a lot of people are fed up with the justice system because it seems to weigh so heavily in favour of the criminal.
If it were announced that the likes of Robert Black, Ian Huntley and Roy Whiting were to be hanged I for one would have no trouble sleeping.
I don't think this issue will ever be for public debate or implemented as I can't imagine a government brave enough to offer a vote.
If it were announced that the likes of Robert Black, Ian Huntley and Roy Whiting were to be hanged I for one would have no trouble sleeping.
I don't think this issue will ever be for public debate or implemented as I can't imagine a government brave enough to offer a vote.
MotherOfChickens
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actually, castration doesnt work in alot of cases where the behaviour is ingrained apparently. I think it was Germany who (used to?) have voluntary chemical castrations for sex offenders.
I think life should mean life but am anti-death penalty. the idea that someone can be put to death and the person in charge can do twitter updates about it (in the US last week) I think is totally abhorrent and shouldnt be acceptable in a civilised society.
HHO has changed in the last few years, we once had a huge thread on the death sentence with most people on here being pro.
Kat
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In many of these cases life does mean life. Roy Whiting has a minimum tarriff of 40 years, that means he will be in his eighties before he can even be considered for parole.
There are American States that use Castration, it is used on a voluntary basis as a way for prisoners to get an early release on parole. They use depo-provera to chemically castrate them. The problem with this is that although they can't function sexually and may not have a sex drive they will still find the same things desireable. So it doesn't necessarily stop all abuse, particularly not porn offences.
It is very difficult to know what to do with these sorts of offenders.......
There are American States that use Castration, it is used on a voluntary basis as a way for prisoners to get an early release on parole. They use depo-provera to chemically castrate them. The problem with this is that although they can't function sexually and may not have a sex drive they will still find the same things desireable. So it doesn't necessarily stop all abuse, particularly not porn offences.
It is very difficult to know what to do with these sorts of offenders.......
perfect11s
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on a cost basis then getting them to the chair, injection ASAP would seem the best option however leaving them a few years give them time to reflect and for any apppeals to take place..
Oh well guess in a few years we will be a muslim country and they will stone these sort of people to death the day after....
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mtj
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Whilst I do sympathise with those wishing to reintroduce the death penalty, the US system is a great example of why we should not.
I spent a couple of years living in the US. Its widely accepted in the US media that lawyers provided by the state have been less than competent/effective in many death row cases. The quality of the legal representation really is a matter of life or death in the US penal system.
I spent a couple of years living in the US. Its widely accepted in the US media that lawyers provided by the state have been less than competent/effective in many death row cases. The quality of the legal representation really is a matter of life or death in the US penal system.
Kat
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Yeah on a cost basis we'd be better off hanging them on the day the sentance is passed. Problem is we do that and then some joker comes along and discovers DNA profiling or whatever...... and then we discover that the guy isn't guilty afterall....... so an appeal is launched........ but oops too late he's already six feet under........
BBH
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I think the incidence of a serial murderer being found innocent is remote these days with the advancement of DNA.It would have to be a co-incidence of astronomical proportions for an innocent person's DNA to be present at all murder sites and put that with means, motive, method etc and guilt is guaranteed.
I can understand more a single murder miscarriage of justice.
LynneB
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you'd hope that would be the case, but what if, for example, someone was killing people and planting someone else's DNA at the scene. It isn't beyond the realms of possibility, so you cannot have capital punishment on DNA evidence alone. It may be rare, but I wouldn't like anyone I know to be the one rare case it happened to. Even with DNA you are reliant on the collection and processing of it to be accurate.
ceiron
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few things to mention
under the eu (lisbon treaty is its name i think?) agreement that was signed last year no eu country can use capital punishment whilst an eu member state.
so to bring it back we would have to leave the eu.
which i know is prolly a a favourable thing on here anyway.lol
also innocent people being executed, this has not occurred in modern day america, any one wrongly convicted has been pardoned etc before being executed.
yes the lawyers provided are not great however one on death row they get very good assistance in their appeals.
i would say its highly unlikely in a civilised modern country for a wrongly executed person to occur.
under the eu (lisbon treaty is its name i think?) agreement that was signed last year no eu country can use capital punishment whilst an eu member state.
so to bring it back we would have to leave the eu.
which i know is prolly a a favourable thing on here anyway.lol
also innocent people being executed, this has not occurred in modern day america, any one wrongly convicted has been pardoned etc before being executed.
yes the lawyers provided are not great however one on death row they get very good assistance in their appeals.
i would say its highly unlikely in a civilised modern country for a wrongly executed person to occur.
Jim Moriarty
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Not sure I'd be too happy living in a country where the state murders 10 year old offenders.
And in this instance, I wonder, as a 10 year old entering the penal system, whether he was abused within that system, and whether such abuse has created the adult we now see.
And in this instance, I wonder, as a 10 year old entering the penal system, whether he was abused within that system, and whether such abuse has created the adult we now see.
Kat
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He was (if I recall correctly) abused before he entered the system, and had a life that no one would consider ideal for a child.
ceiron
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from what i just researched he was not in any way abused.
his parents seperated when he was young but lived close together and he spent equal time with both.
they were both average parents who never sexually or physcially abused theor children.
there was no reports of any abuse outside the home either.
he had a disabled brother and sister and he had a form of adhd it is believed.
he was a regular truant and thief though as a child and had a violent tendency.
i did wonder if he was perhaps abused and as such re enacting that but it appears not.
they have a sexual link to the murder also as the boy was naked waist down and had been played with.
so it seems he was potentially already on this path before being convicted etc ...
BBH
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Another one who needs executing is Peter Tobin 
Disgusting individual.
Disgusting individual.
Puppy
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Erm, but the fact people have been wrongly convicted goes to show the room for error.
I would not expect a civilised society to execute anyone.
ceiron
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Erm, but the fact people have been wrongly convicted goes to show the room for error.
I would not expect a civilised society to execute anyone.
you can only call it by the evidence provided and if it points to the wrong conviction then you can fault the jury etc ...
in time any wrong convictions are lifted, unfortunate for the individual but no system is perfect and i would rather they er on the side of caution and have a 99% success rate then wait for absolute proof ie someone being killed again etc ...
Shutterbug
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And you would be surprised how wrong you are.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocent
The death penalty is a failed system and should be stopped the world over.
It costs millions for a death penalty case to be tried - in fact it costs more money to try a death penalty case than it does to jail someone for life. The figures to support that are available on the website I have linked above.
States where the death penalty exist have higher murder and crime rates than states who do not have the death penalty so its clearly not a deterrant. Statistics to support this are also availble on the website above.
There is a massive capacity for error - if one person is wrongly put to death for a crime they did not commit thats one person too much and you cannot take that back - imagine if it was you!!
Sarah Sum1
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Not sure about capital punishment, would hate to think of an innocent person being killed. Also an eye for an eye, just ends up with the whole world blind as they say.
I do however get extremely annoyed at the fact that convicted criminals are sitting in cells with sky t.v and the like. I think prisons should be a place to fear. Small cells, preferbally with rats running around and sitting their own excrement. But of course human rights do not allow for this (and prob rightly so) I think the justice system is messed up and i also think prison should be harsher than it is.
Disclaimer, I have not thought long and hard about this
I do however get extremely annoyed at the fact that convicted criminals are sitting in cells with sky t.v and the like. I think prisons should be a place to fear. Small cells, preferbally with rats running around and sitting their own excrement. But of course human rights do not allow for this (and prob rightly so)
I think the justice system is messed up and i also think prison should be harsher than it is. Disclaimer, I have not thought long and hard about this