Bringing deer down with packs of wolves. Good idea?

[Ereiam_jh]

This is what these guys are arguing for. They are against shooting deer and for them being bought down and killed with packs of wolves.

http://www.animalsuffering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4231

It's wierd how animal rights activists differ between countries.

Ah hang on a sec, it's because in the States 'hunting' is shooting deer, so they are agai nst shooting them and pro killing them with dogs. Here 'hunting' is using dogs, so they are pro killing them and again st using the dogs.

Why not regulate cruelty, why the obsession with 'Hunting'?

 

[Ereiam_jh]

Incidently this guy got in 6 posts which is probably a record on this site for some one who doesn't toe the line.

I did try a while ago with a post about the morality of a dinner party at a neighbour who eats roadkill .

I got as far as posing the moral conundrum of:

'should I tuck into the badger or stick to the side salad?'

and they banned me.

Sometimes I wonder if there is a connection between haemoglobic iron and a sense of humour. I've noticed my mood can be somewhat dark before my morning bacon butty.

 

[Fairynuff]

I had a quick look through the various sections-wow!!!!! These people are a bit odd to say the least. As for the wolves verus guns, I dont disagree to shooting to keep the numbers down and Im certainly pro wolves but cant see it being feasable reintroducing them in GB. Did you see the thread on the wild boar? My fields have been seriosly trashed the last couple of nights by these sweet defenceless fluffy toys. I will be stocking my freezer with delicious wild boar (the hunting has opened and Ive got generous neighbours).Anyone want a good recipe? Mairi.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

It seems to me that they aren't really interested in the welfare of the deer at all. As one of them says it is about morality. Ie, what is important to them is getting at people.

God help us when we have laws motivated not by preventing harm but enforcing morality.

 

[Onyxia]

God help us when we have laws motivated not by preventing harm but enforcing morality.
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Indeed.
There is no kind way to kill an animal- what matters is doing it in the least cruell way.IMO that is hunting with hounds for foxes.
Guns might be less ofensive to some peoples sence of morality, but if they really cared about the animals wellfare they would back hunting as the most efective and least cruell method.

 

[suebingham]

We lived in Mississippi about 15 years ago and we hunted deer with dogs there. Most folks had various types of hounds and all we had were two collie/australian shepherd mixes. Even so, they did figure it out pretty fast and it was a lot of fun. Tiny little deer though -- the first time I saw one, I thought it was a goat.
Here, no dogs allowed -- but the deer are much bigger and we also have elk. DH got his antelope 2 weeks ago and both he and our oldest son have cow elk tags for December. Yum, Yum, Yum! Prime rib for Christmas dinner!

 

[Tia]

It is a ridiculously stupid idea!

Wolves are pretty useless at managing deer forests. They tend to forage for mice, rats, worms, voles, grasshoppers, berries and the occasional deer! Deer do not make up a significant part of a wolf's diet.

I know this as I have a pack of wolves who live on my farm. I ride past their den, which they use only over the winter months, and only rarely do I see deer legs or entrails lying outside their den. Anytime I see them, which is very often, generally most days, they are foraging for chipmunks or groundhogs.

We have loads of deer on our property so if they wanted to, the wolves could easily catch and kill far more. Interestingly when the dog and bitch were mating this Spring, there was also a doe and fawn living in the same woods. These woods can only be 10 acres maximum so why did they both live in the woods together? The fawn survived the Spring and now runs around as a biggish deer. We have 3 sets of woods on our property, why did the deer not move to one of the larger woods? I guess she felt no threat from the wolves........."curiouser and curiouser!"

And as for the morons who are looking to re-introduce wolves (maybe they already have) into Scotland........jeez open your eyes you numpties!

 

[Tia]

Totally agree with you! The re-introduction of a dog-like species, wolves, to kill the deer seems more than slightly ironic to me.......


.....so I completely agree that this is against people! But then by the over-simplified rationale of those posters, humans are not part of nature.......??? Hello!!

 

[Tia]

PS. The "numpty" reference was not to any poster on here......it was relating to the foolish organisations in the UK who think this will be a good idea. Yes great idea to release them for the occasional view and for the wonderful sounds at night time, but they can't seriously believe that they will make much impact on the control of the deer. Seriously dilluded if they do.

 

[Fairynuff]

Have a look through their forum, its unbelievable nonsense (most of it!). Theres one guy whos got a "moral" problem- hes got a couple of plants, venus fly traps or the like and hes worried about the morality in having them.You see, they eat FLIES which are ALIVE!!! he doesnt know whether it would be right to throw them away and let them die or....!!!!!!!!!!!!! He feels guilty cos hes cultivated them oo:.I think his name is "Boar" and hes all for having wild boar running around the countryside so he can watch them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then theres one who replied to his thread saying that all predators should be encouraged to become veggies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Id love to see Hrcules and co replying to their nonsense. M. :grin:

 

[Clodagh]

Changing the subject...OH shot a deer last week that had a swollen head and was fly blown. It must have been hit by a car or something. We gave the carcass to a neighbour, (I thought he would give it to his hounds), but he just turned up and gave us a load of it. Would you eat something that died like that?? I do not fancy it at all. Yuck!

 

[CARREG]

Just dont eat the head....lol

 

[Tia]

LMAO!! What a dilemma! That is soooo funny Mairi - sounds like we could have a lot of fun on that forum.

 

[Tia]

No sorry but I couldn't eat any animal who appeared to have anything wrong with it. Yuck yuck!!

 

[suebingham]

And as for the morons who are looking to re-introduce wolves (maybe they already have) into Scotland........jeez open your eyes you numpties!

I live in an area of the US where wolves have been re-introduced -- hardly a week goes by that the local newspaper doesn't have a little blurb about this or that pack having to be re-captured or put down due to cattle depredation or other inappropriate behavior. It's not good for those of us who live here, and it surely isn't good for the poor (not wild/not not-wild) wolves -- but it DOES seem to satisfy those who live in distant big cities and venture out to the "wilderness" in their monstrous big urban assault vehicles.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

"it is completely specieist to say that insects are not as worthy as larger sentients. The life of an insect is as valuable to themselves as our lives are to us. I see no reason why we should wait until AR has won rights status for the larger animals before going into battle for the mosquito (surely the most over-looked of any animal). "

 

[Tia]

*sniggers very loudly*

 

[Fairynuff]

As a Scot, I say midgies come first. I remember the days with fondness when clouds of them would arrive at sunset and drive me daft. Poor wee blighted, misunderstood creatures of God should be encouraged and not killed! Mairi. :grin:

 

[Fairynuff]

Go for it Tia! Ive already signed on as Rowan. M.