BS (JA!) question

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diggerbez

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ok so i'm not currently a member of the BSJA so if i want to take V to a show i have to buy class tickets (fair enough) and in the event i get placed i win feck all (boooo!)- if i was to enter the classes H/C would i still have to pay the ticket fee or would i not?
 
It annoys me so much that BS are so greedy that they won't even give you a rosette and a few £'s if you get placed when on a class ticket. Surely you are paying to be a member of BS for that class, so surely that should entitle you to any prizes???? BE don't feel a need to be so money grabbing..........................

Sorry for the rant, this just really annoys me, you end up paying £18 for what is essentially one round (and possibly a jump off) with no chance of getting a penny towards your diesel!
 
But if you compete at a BE event on a ticket you don't win any rosettes or prize money so there is no difference.

The ticket to ride covers your insurance etc, most places I know round here give you a rosette if you end up in the placings.

Basically if you enter BE, BD or BS on a ticket you are paying to be HC. I appreciate it is an extra charge but contact your local centres as a lot up here offer the ticket free so there is no extra charge at all.
 
charlimouse said:
It annoys me so much that BS are so greedy that they won't even give you a rosette and a few £'s if you get placed when on a class ticket. Surely you are paying to be a member of BS for that class, so surely that should entitle you to any prizes???? BE don't feel a need to be so money grabbing..........................

Sorry for the rant, this just really annoys me, you end up paying £18 for what is essentially one round (and possibly a jump off) with no chance of getting a penny towards your diesel!
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A BN on a ticket at a local show centre plus medical over a year ago cost me £23 :eek:
It had been nearly 10 years since my last BSJA shows when a Foxhunter used to only cost about a tenner!!
 
charlimouse said:
It annoys me so much that BS are so greedy that they won't even give you a rosette and a few £'s if you get placed when on a class ticket. Surely you are paying to be a member of BS for that class, so surely that should entitle you to any prizes???? BE don't feel a need to be so money grabbing..........................

Sorry for the rant, this just really annoys me, you end up paying £18 for what is essentially one round (and possibly a jump off) with no chance of getting a penny towards your diesel!
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Don't see the difference really you can pay £60 to do BE (at intro including your start fee) you could be a member and win and you'd still get bob all! :D

Least if they give the prize money to a showjumper they know it'll be spent at the venue on chips and pies, or booze ;)

Many centres near me have an unaff open before the first class, so that non-members can win a day ticket, or they do the same with the first 10 entries on the day getting a ticket :)
 
ArcticFox said:
But if you compete at a BE event on a ticket you don't win any rosettes or prize money so there is no difference.

The ticket to ride covers your insurance etc, most places I know round here give you a rosette if you end up in the placings.

Basically if you enter BE, BD or BS on a ticket you are paying to be HC. I appreciate it is an extra charge but contact your local centres as a lot up here offer the ticket free so there is no extra charge at all.
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On a ticket at BD you get the prize money and the rosette :)
I think same applies at BE (though prizes generally not money at lower levels!!)
 
ArcticFox said:
But if you compete at a BE event on a ticket you don't win any rosettes or prize money so there is no difference.

The ticket to ride covers your insurance etc, most places I know round here give you a rosette if you end up in the placings.

Basically if you enter BE, BD or BS on a ticket you are paying to be HC. I appreciate it is an extra charge but contact your local centres as a lot up here offer the ticket free so there is no extra charge at all.
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I'm sure you do win a rosette on a BE ticket; I did last year in a BE90!
 
BE do give prizes and rosettes to those on day tickets, this is copied and pasted directly from the BE website:

Do I get a prize?
Day ticket competitors will get a placing and any prize/rosette due.
 
charlimouse said:
BE do give prizes and rosettes to those on day tickets, this is copied and pasted directly from the BE website:

Do I get a prize?
Day ticket competitors will get a placing and any prize/rosette due.
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Not the same debate, but for the entry fees, many of the prizes are pitiful. My friend was placed and got...... wait for it........ an apple! :D

I do think that BE are streets ahead with their online search and records system though, don't know why BS can't have a similar thing for free :)
 
Stencilface said:
I do think that BE are streets ahead with their online search and records system though, don't know why BS can't have a similar thing for free :)
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Why do something for free, when you could charge (upto) £10 ;)! It really does seem to me like BS are just trying to find every oppourtunity to take money off you. If BE and BD can have records searchable to the general public, why do BS feel they should charge for the priveldge?

Sorry for threadjacking Diggerbez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
hahaha, don't worry- this is exactly how i feel about BS (what approprate initials! :D )- i have absolutely no problem paying for the class ticket but if i win i want the prize! (not that i will win, but its the principle of it!)

BE definitely give out Rossies and prizes- you are a member for the class and so if you win, you win the prize, ditto BD as far as i know (have always won money even when not a member)

i try to avoid BS for this very reason but hate hate hate going SJing on my own and all my friends are BS members so want to go to BS shows- so if i want help/company i have to go with them... normally i stick to trailblazers if i can as that is freeeeeeeeee!!!

(oh and BS can't poss have a decent records system- then you would know how many times horses have been eliminated and that would be no good would it :rolleyes:)
can you tell i don't like BS? :p
 
For BS (and yes I can't believe someone thought THAT was a good idea) getting a rosette (and even occasionally a prize) is down to the show centres. Some are nice and give you the rosette for a ticket (I have had 2 that way in the past) and some... not so much.

I guess (and it is a guess) that one of the reasons you don't get the placing recorded is that you don't need to prove the horse's identity (breed papers etc) to get the ticket, which you do BE, so you could take a top grade A in a british novice under a stable name and no-one would know. If you were in the class registered or not, to be beaten by such a horse would be somewhat anoying.
 
So if you think its unfair then pay to become a member, then you will be entitled to all the benefits that membership brings. If its so crap & you hate it, don't go then surely??...
 
kizzywiz said:
So if you think its unfair then pay to become a member, then you will be entitled to all the benefits that membership brings. If its so crap & you hate it, don't go then surely??...
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what i don't understand is why BD and BE make you a full 'member' for that class that you have paid for a ticket for- BS doesn't. just seems inconsistent.

i don't think the shows are crap...just the fleecing of money :rolleyes:
 
Puffin - It all makes sense now :).

I think it depends on the place - I'm sure at a local agricultural show I got a rosette and some pennies and I've never been a member. What does annoy me is the whole ponies and seniors rules though and the online records.
 
diggerbez said:
what i don't understand is why BD and BE make you a full 'member' for that class that you have paid for a ticket for- BS doesn't. just seems inconsistent.

i don't think the shows are crap...just the fleecing of money :rolleyes:
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Oh sorry, misunderstood. Maybe its because the prize money is more, if I did say BE 100 on a ticket & won (highly unlikely as I would be terrified) what would I win? Or at BD, if I won a novice test, what would I win then? Sorry if these are dumb questions, but genuinely intrigued.
 
charlimouse said:
It annoys me so much that BS are so greedy that they won't even give you a rosette and a few £'s if you get placed when on a class ticket. Surely you are paying to be a member of BS for that class, so surely that should entitle you to any prizes???? BE don't feel a need to be so money grabbing..........................
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But then what would be the point in joining then if you got all the benefits of being a member (ie. getting prize money and rossette) on a ticket? I'd simply ride on tickets permanently!! Probably be cheaper overall than spending a fortune joining BSJA in the first place. I'd be annoyed if I paid a fortune to join BSJA and then a non-member got money. There's not enough prize money as it is and they regularily dont pay out down the line even though we still get charged the full entry fee.
 
I'm sorry about my earlier post. I assumed that BE, BD and BS would all adopt the same system regarding no prize money/rosette.

I agree with magicmelon, I would just pay for a ticket at every show if I was entitled to get the money if I did well.

I have to say though that I would not expect to get anything if I was competing on a ticket. The ticket system is really to give people a taster of the sport/trying a new horse etc etc, they are not really designed to be used as a regular thing. If you have a good careful SJ then registering would be a good idea as nice double clears often get you in the tickets anyway (at least up here at Intro shows they do)

I wish they would adopt the same thing as the Australian system. You register with the EFA as a rider and then pay seperate horse memberships for the various disciplines so making it encouraging for more people to join. I'd be a member of all three then!
 
ArcticFox said:
I agree with magicmelon, I would just pay for a ticket at every show if I was entitled to get the money if I did well.
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as would I and I'd use a horse that was far better than the class (ticket rides not recorded) becuase financially it makes sense.
ie entry £14 + ticket £6 = £20. First prize =£30 so nice little tenner in my back pocket.

You cant compare BS to BE and BD when it comes to prizes. OH won medium and adv.medium BD last meeting. Entries were £15 each so £30, total prize money from the two wins was £32 so a whopping £2 profit whoopee.
had I done the same BS but in BN and disco then entries would have been £28
but prize money would have been £60 so a profit of £32.
There I think is the answer. :D Showjumping is all about the money!
Wont even talk about winning a dandy brush or baseball cap in BE after paying £70+ in entry fees.:rolleyes:
 
Maybe one of the differences is that BD and BE both limit you to 4 class tickets a year where as BS give you unlimited so as someone said there's an incentive to join BD or BE but with BS unless you're going to do in excess of 20 classes (or similar) there's no incentive to join. I did two BD prelims last year on tickets and placed 1st and 3rd and got £25 as well as rosettes.
 
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