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My mares been registered for the past couple of years, grade c, small amount of winnings. Question is if i dont re new her membership can i then compete unaffliated? or because shes been registered is it a no no?

i dont feel this year its worth me being a member as im planning on doing more riding club with her, dressage jumping and the x country and odes.. with the aim of competing on a more serious note next year?
 
if you don't renew her membership then she isn't registered for that year so yes you can compete unaffil but you should still pay heed to rules restricting horses with winnings over £x as although she isn't registered she does still have those winnings.
 
Depends how much money she has and what level you plan to compete at unaffiliated. You should deffo be able to compete open, probably not novice but maybe intermediate. I think if you leave then unregistered for a few years then they lose some of their notional winnings.
Most of the time it doesn't matter how much BSJA winnings they have for ODEs, it's normally determined by BE points or placings at events. Try having a look at some schedules and they should state the money/points limits for each class.
 
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Yes you can compete unafilliated. You can still compete unaf when your registered aswell.

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only if the 1st prize is under £10
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BSJA members are restricted from entering any unaffil classes carrying 1st prize of over £10 you see....

Also horses don't lose notional winnings for years they are unregistered. Riding club for their area/national competitions do run some sort of downgrading if unregistered for several years but it does soley apply to the area/nationals.
 
just read the rules for the individual class/show. It will normally be fairly obvious if you can or can't compete eg will say not open to registered BSJA combinations, in which case you can as currently neither of you are registered.

If it says not open to horses with over £20 BSJA winnings then no you couldn't.

with £34 notional winnings you are not going to be restricted from many classes as most restrict by whether registered (which your not) not by winnings.

Katie
 
i wanted to ask the same thing, mine has £100 in winnings 3 years ago, people keep sayign about this downgrading how does it work???
 
You can compete unaffiliated even if you're reg BSJA. One of mine was reg BSJA last year and also did unaffiliated. Ones in my area never mention anything about BSJA limits so I can basically do whatever class I want! I could probably take my other horse who has over £600 in a minimus class if I wanted! Just look at the rules.

kombikids - I think every year the horse isnt reg, the winnings decrease. Cant remember by how much though. Email BSJA and ask.
 
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kombikids - I think every year the horse isnt reg, the winnings decrease. Cant remember by how much though. Email BSJA and ask.

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You can't downgrade a horse with the BSJA itself the only 'downgrading' a horse's BSJA winnings will do is as said above for riding club competitions at area/national level where the catorgories are split by BSJA winnings. If a horse is registered with the BSJA as a youngster and wins £3000, if it then injures itself at 7 and doesn't reregister till its 16 when it reregisters it will still have all £3000 on its card.

Hope that makes sense
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That's correct - money won stays on a horse or pony's record for life and there's no mechanism for downgrading in the BSJA. However, they have brought in Regional Points classes (ie smaller opens for any grade of horse) so horses arn't totally restricted with new or novice owners.

Any horse can compete unaff but as others have said it comes down to the riders honestly about winnings and how they relate to the wording of the schedule. Good luck - have fun!
 
I wasnt aware of any restrictions made by the BSJA about you competing in unaffil classes, the only time there will be a restriction is at the unafil show itself.. as you say 'not to have won £20' etc!!!!
 
Most classes are opens unaffliated anyway. All Trailblazers are. Although the 2nd rounds are limited to Grade Cs only.

If you are registered as a rider the BSJA says that you are not allowed to compete in a class with a prize of more than £10. I am not sure how legal that is really.
 
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I wasnt aware of any restrictions made by the BSJA about you competing in unaffil classes, the only time there will be a restriction is at the unafil show itself.. as you say 'not to have won £20' etc!!!!

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rule 71.3 and 72.2 outline the rule. Basically if there is over £10 on offer at the show as a member not only can you not compete, you can also not own a horse competing, judge or in any way officiate at the show other than in capacity as first aid, medical, vet, farrier.

I can think of several well known people who break that rule on a regular basis, normally their kids competing in unaffil.
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I wasnt aware of any restrictions made by the BSJA about you competing in unaffil classes, the only time there will be a restriction is at the unafil show itself.. as you say 'not to have won £20' etc!!!!

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rule 71.3 and 72.2 outline the rule. Basically if there is over £10 on offer at the show as a member not only can you not compete, you can also not own a horse competing, judge or in any way officiate at the show other than in capacity as first aid, medical, vet, farrier.

I can think of several well known people who break that rule on a regular basis, normally their kids competing in unaffil.
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Along with all the coursebuilders and judges
 
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although round here the unaffilated shows are often built by a numpty and judged by a numpty.
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Remember one a few years ago run by local PC although admittedly no ££ involved. old livery from yard was coursebuilding (she had major delusions of her SJ past
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) but someone else I knew ans respected (but not BSJA member) judging. Walked course with friend competing and proceeded to walk straight to judges box to suggest he take a quick look at a few of the fences. This he did and very quickly the long makeshift cup pins pointing out of the wing towards the oncoming horses were switched round
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and a very very dodgy distance was adjusted . They never asked the person to course build again as apparently all the other classes were disasters as well....
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To be honest though I rarely ever see shows offering more than £10 in prize money so not really an issue...
 
ok thanks everyone for the input... can any one give me a good reason to keep the horse and register myself with bsja...

im capleble of jumping daft heights but havnt done for about 6 years, so i need to get back into it, originally bought the horse as a project to sell on, but not sure id want to sell her now.
 
If i was you if you wan't to start and work your way up you are not going to have problems finding suitable shows in the area even if horse is BSJA reg.

Exeter EC runs regular open unaffil shows which you won't be restricted from entering. Coombe Park does as well over the winter, well it used to last time I was there. Add in the grange and thats 3 local winter venues without trying. In summer you have countless shows which stay under the £10 rule. If you find you are quickly jumping round the large opens (i.e. 95cm + ) try a BN on a ticket and if goes well affiliate.

That way you don't waste money registering too early as BSJA is done on a rolling year so from date you join so very easy to lose a couple of months.
 
in all honesty i need to get my balls back... horse is capleble of jumping 1.20m+ id like to be competitive but i dont take myself serious enough, id love to get back into eventing but think my mare has to fine legs,

on the other hand i dont want to end up wasting a blood y good horse.

think i will play this summer, if all goes well head on upwards!
 
sounds like you will be BSJAing in no time then
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there are some lovely venues in the area. Bicton arena is a personal fave of mine '07 was the first year in about 6 (basically since been in UK) that I didn't compete there. pontispool isn;t that far and has two good surfaces now, and the hand is about 2 hours in lorry from J28
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