BSJA rant

MagicMelon

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Yet again, I am here to moan about what I have moaned about before. BSJA'ing yesterday. In the pratice ring I watched as a few riders came and went - they came in and instantly began barking orders at their assistants to raise the fences. They'd jump one then ask for it to be raised STRAIGHT after they'd done it. Nobody else had a chance! One person in particular was p*ssing me right off, I kept asking 'his people' to lower the fence so I could finally BEGIN warming up properly as I was due in quite soon and they just kept saying "yes, in a minute, he just needs a jump first". Sod him, what about everyone else!!!!!!! I was due in about 3 horses before him! And as for the buggers who wack the fences right up and then leave them - uhhhhh, hello! Are people meant to jump 4ft as their first warm up fence?!

I am just getting so fed up of it all. It makes it all so stressful which then upsets the horse.

BSJA MUST do something about this. BE have clearly marked stickers on their fences so you cant go above the limits of the class. BSJA do not. There either needs to be more than 2 fences (like 3 or 4 at SET heights) OR they simply need 2 helpers who will move fences up and down depending on what everyone wants, NOT just one person.
 

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It sounds like shows not only need a collecting ring steward but also jump monitors with the same powers to stand up for the non professionals. Either that or fixed jumps like XC. Just because the pro's earn their money by doing it does not give them the right to take it all over. Only other solution I can think of (and would be quite hard to sort) would be for non-pro's to jump first, then the pro's, so the non-pro's would have priority, does that make sense?
Trouble is it all boils down to helpers on the day who sadly, are usually thin on the ground.
Have you talked to your local BSJA rep' or the secretaries of the show too?
 

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We went to a BSJA show last year and in the 1m open a dealer who goes to the centre regularly put the fence up to 4ft and was getting his horse to knock it inorder to get it to pick his legs up!!!! The women on the gate saw him doing this and ignored it - once they had finished my dad went up to it to lower it for me to start walming up - was putting it down to 90cm. Before he got chance to lower it the women starts screeching at him that it is not to go any higher. Yet this women watched the other bloke jump it!!!! Double standards or what??? Not to take into account that the fence in the warm up area is not supposed to be bigger than the class. Sorry the BSJA and some of their members really annoy me
 

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Its hard when you dont have a helper of your own to do your jumps. But Ive got to say Im guilty of leaving the fence at the height I finish at and TBH I dont see anything wrong with that.
 

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I always go to shows by myself, and I don't tend to have a problem, I always manage to find someone warming up at the same time as me. If they go to put the fence up as I go towards it I just yell. If there is no one else about to start warming up I ask the person who finishes with the fence big if they can drop it to a X for me. Seems to work.

I think fences are allowed to be 3 inches higher than the course in the ring. I don't think that the show should provide someone as its expensive enough already, and the BSJA have already tried to bring in the rule once about having to be a member if you are doing practice jumps.

Sounds like you just have some very selfish people in your area.
 

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I sometime travel to shows alone, or have no helper in the warm-up for one reason or another, and I can usually find someone who is warming up at my pace. I don't see why anyone should put the fences down after they've finished with them though....just because you might want them lower, someone else might want them higher
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The rule is that fences cannot be higher than the class in progress....which is quite entertaining at Hickstead when you have 5 outside rings all sharing the mammoth warm-up lol!
 

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Yeah - you have to be quick to latch on to someone else, like Rambo says. And they never mind as long as you say thanks!
 

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9cheese & Rambo - Im afraid it does come across as rude if you leave the fence at the big height when you leave. Because it means people behind you cant even begin warming up until they find someone to put it back down. Anyone can jump a small fence but not everyone wants to jump massive especially when beginning to warm up!

If the rule is that the fences should be no higher than in the class then in my area - they are serious rule breakers!
 

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If the rule is that the fences should be no higher than in the class then in my area - they are serious rule breakers!

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Oh I agree, and in our area too
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It's the rule, but i've never seen it enforced...ever !
 

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I agree that fences should not be put up too high but when it comes to leaving a fence at a height larger than a cross pole I will without question.

I often am at events on my own so have to get on and off to change the practice fence, I am not going to get off again after I am satisfied with my warm up just before going in the ring to put a fence down for someone else. If I can get on and off both Dan who is 17h2 and Fleur who well doesn't stand still then so can everyone else! I get on from the floor granted but there is normally somewhere close you can mount from, even the jump wing foot is often enough for that extra boost!

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Well I'll just carry on being rude then I'm afraid! Not up to me to put the jump down to a cross for the next person. Who always changes it anyway!
 

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I'm not complaining at people to put their fences down to a cross after they have finished. What annoys me is that people are placing the fences much bigger (ie at 1m20 for a 1m class) than the actual class they are involved with and then the person who wants to warm up next gets told off for having the fence too high.
 

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Usually at qualifiers and larger shows there is tape on the wing to show the height you can put it up to. Everyone tends to put them up though generally before they go in ie last upright. There are also some people that want to jump the practice fence 50 times at the same height. This is equally irritating for those who wish to get on and have already declared.
 

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The tape on wings approach has always seemed a little pointless to me, because who changes the tape between BN / Disco / NC / Fox etc
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At the end of the day, there is a rule in place....it just needs someone around to enforce it
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