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Hi,
Is this normal, a friend went to Solihull this week and said that there was a water tray, as a Liverpool, in the Discovery.
I didn`t think these came in until Newcomers, but I haven`t checked book.
 
yup ive had them in both BN and discovery classes
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Also they tend to be built with the water tray behind the fence as otherwise it is counted as a spread and all the poles would have to be on safety cups, if it is behind them the poles are counted as the front of the fence and therefore don't need special cups.
 
me thinks you should practice all of them anyway if you try competing, the idea of the course is to make it challenging and showing the rider an dhorse are prepared, if i saw a water tray at a show, i would see it as an oportunity to try something new, not a set back, suggests to me she wasnt fully prepared, i'm going to do all the fillers and jump types before i start competing late spring
 
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suggests to me she wasnt fully prepared, i'm going to do all the fillers and jump types before i start competing late spring

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Why do you say that it sounds like she wasnt fully prepared?
She was prepared, I didn`t say otherwise.
I just asked if it was normal, as she was telling me what was there, but I`ve never come across one in a BN before! that`s why I asked.
 
It was about 3ft wide.
I have come across these at local shows and don`t have any problems as I stick my nose in the air, (so as I don`t look down), even had ducks in at one show.
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When do the big wide ones come into play, or are these in the BN too? Or is it the big wide ones that you are on about?
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suggests to me she wasnt fully prepared, i'm going to do all the fillers and jump types before i start competing late spring

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Why do you say that it sounds like she wasnt fully prepared?
She was prepared, I didn`t say otherwise.
I just asked if it was normal, as she was telling me what was there, but I`ve never come across one in a BN before! that`s why I asked.

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Christ what IS it with children these days
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Peanot your query was perfectly worded, certainly didn't enter my mind to question any preparation
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no i not talking about the big wide ones they only come out for New & fox second rounds, big champs and grand prixs at the same sort of level. Lowest class I have met a full tray was in a 1m derby but there was an alternative higher water tray.

Basically some venues have small water trays which are actually wooden ones and are about 2'6" -3' wide but are relatively small. Next you get the small plastic/tarpualin type trays that have squidgey edges (tom dunn ones for those than know him/them
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) but are capable of holding water and the squidgey edges mean they are safe for horse to step on being that bit wider. These trays go under uprights and spreads at the standard class height and commonly found at venues like Wales and the West and Bicton.

Lastly you have the big ones which as a jump will be far lower than the class itself if there is a fence infront at all.

I have one of the smaller tarpualin/plastic ones at home had to teach Dan they weren't going to eat him when they became compulsory!
 
They put one of the big wide ones with a small take-off brush and a pole over the top in a 105 open at Norton Heath in the summer. It had a very narrow upright stile fence as an alternative - needless to say the water tray appealed far more to me with my eventer mentality! I think it's a great way of introducing them, the pole over the top means they get up in the air, and the alternative means ou don't have to do it if you don't think the horse is ready. I seem to remember a big water with a pole over the top was compulsory in all young horse classes in Belgium from 5 upwards, it meant they saw them commonly which can't be bad.
 
They arent used at BN (or I havent seen one been used) at Blewbury or Addington (but this isnt to say they arent used at other venues). However they always use one at Discovery level from what ive seen.

Addington also use to use the water tray in 90cm Open Unaffiliated classes too, and the Intro eventer day in the show jumping phase as well as black trays for the xc phase.
 
i'm so sorry if i offended you, i know you want asking about it, sorry for saying my oppinoion i promise i will never do it again as it might offend anyone that reads it in the wrong way, and i always wondered what the point of these threads were, it is always for someone to just say, oh i agree, and wow thats amazing, not to actually say what they think, and obviously she wasnt prepared for a water jump otherwise she woulnd thave found it strange
 
agree the post read IMHO like they were wondering on the exact rules that are in place. They were aware you could see a water jump in competition but was not aware that they were commonly used at Discovery level. I don't think that necessarily means they were unprepared.

TE they can't actually use the big ones in BN or Dis even if with an option as the rules state at first round level (and also 2nd round I believe) they may not be included.

Agree though that they should be bought out more often as otherwise no one gets to jump them. I know one girl who had a potential YR team horse but just refused to jump water jumps so could never get on teams for obvious reasons. If that had seen them from a young age maybe it would have been different?

The young horse classes at Bicton often contain one of the large of the small water trays which I like and it rarely causes problems.
Also Exeter EC in summer have put in its proper permenant water jump as a direct alternative to another tray. Think Dan had the shock of his life when I pointed towards the main jump and kicked on
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I know some places are almost worried to put it out though due to rider complaints. The amount of times I have saw when the water jump rules first came into place and they were seen from BN up, riders complaining saying they shouldn't be in a BN is annoying. At the end of the day at BN height most horses can be somewhat forced over a fence and they are far more likely even if backing off to jump a water tray at that height and therefore get used to them instead of suddenly encountering them in up to height newcomer tracks.
 
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At the end of the day at BN height most horses can be somewhat forced over a fence and they are far more likely even if backing off to jump a water tray at that height and therefore get used to them instead of suddenly encountering them in up to height newcomer tracks.

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I agree with this. I have jumped at Markfield EC (indoor) in the BN and the Discovery, and at Hargates (outdoors) and I haven`t yet jumped one at these BSJA comps.
I have jumped the blue hard plastic ones that are about 2-3ft wide at local shows. I think they should put them at the lower heights so as horses can get used to them.
 
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agree the post read IMHO like they were wondering on the exact rules that are in place. They were aware you could see a water jump in competition but was not aware that they were commonly used at Discovery level. I don't think that necessarily means they were unprepared.



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This is correct Santa145, my friend was totally aware as her husband builds for BSJA and builds for HOYS so she knew but I was sitting here wondering about it, and just decided to ask as I was interested. Thanks all, for your info. I will get some blue plastic now to start practising myself.
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I personally think that Water trays should be made compulsary (sp) in British Novice otherwise as you say you can get to Newcomers without having seen a water tray which can make it very difficult as its not the sort of height you wana be scrampling over!!

When I have seen a water tray in a british novice the course builder is normally kind and builds in smaller then the rest of the course and usually under a verticle.
 
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I personally think that Water trays should be made compulsary (sp) in British Novice otherwise as you say you can get to Newcomers without having seen a water tray which can make it very difficult as its not the sort of height you wana be scrampling over!!

When I have seen a water tray in a british novice the course builder is normally kind and builds in smaller then the rest of the course and usually under a verticle.

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It's really a case of where you draw the line...Many would argue that a Newcomers is plenty small enough, and that the idea is that you don't want your horse to first come across a water jump in a Grand Prix
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I remember the days when it wasn't a requirement to jump water until you went to a Foxhunter regional final
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Yeah your right, I surpose the best thing would be just to practice at home.. so whenever you come across one its not likely to cause a problem!!
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Only done one in Disco at Champs of Scotland, It hadn't occured to me that I might need to jump one, thankfuly he was a star as always
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The NewC I did didn't have one.
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me thinks you should practice all of them anyway if you try competing, the idea of the course is to make it challenging and showing the rider an dhorse are prepared, if i saw a water tray at a show, i would see it as an oportunity to try something new, not a set back, suggests to me she wasnt fully prepared, i'm going to do all the fillers and jump types before i start competing late spring

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And where are you going to do this without competing? I certainly don't own jumps remotely like BSJA ones no matter how psychadelic they are painted. I don't own a school either
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