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I was thinking about doing some BSJA with Flash soon, and was wondering when you'd consider a horse to be ready? We've done a tiny bit of unaffiliated together, and he was fine. Is it a huge step up?

He's had a pretty quiet year as I wanted to give him time to mature, he has jumped BN juniors as a 4yr old, but he is now about 15hh. What would I do about this height change and previous registration thing? Do I first update the passport with the new height, or can tehy update it? (I noticed they issue passporrts, so wondered whether they updated them??) I don't have any of the details of what name he was under, a number or anything. His passport hasn't got any stamps or anything in it.

Whenever i've watched it the horses are always rather large, would he struggle because of his size? With striding etc?

Do you just fill out the forms on BSJA site to register horse and rider and send off his passport with it? Never done anything like this before, so sorry for all the silly questions!
 
are you out jumping and competing at open levell unaffiliated and getting double clears ??

my 15.1hh jumped up to 1.20 ish but found the striding very very hard but he was great against the clock against the big horses !!

If you go on the BSJA website all the instructions are on there - you can jump ponies in seniors anyway so it doesnt matter what hight his passport says its only if you wanted tpo jump him in juniors they have to be smaller than 148 !!
 
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No, we've never jumped an open because they haven't had them at any of the local shows I've been to, all cancelled because not enough entries. We've jumped double clears at 85cm a few months ago, have never had any trouble with any height but struggled with striding unaff and with trailblazers and got 4 faults twice, but there was only 1 clear round in the class in both cases!
 
Trailblazers are the closest to affil to be honest if your struggling with that i would stick at it and get the experience before handing over all the money
 
If you're comfortably jumping 3'-3'3'' unaffiliated then you should be fine. It might be a good idea to do some affiliated on a ticket before you register him to see how he copes with the distances. I jump Shadow (who is 14.2hh) senior BSJA and she manages fine, she sometimes puts in an extra stride but she always sorts herself out. You don't need to change his height on his passport because a 'horse' can be any height for BSJA. I don't know if it's as simple as just sending the forms off if he's been registered before, everything you need to know should be on the website, if not give them a ring. You will need to send his passport with the forms and make sure you send it by recorded delivery so it doesn't get lost.
 
if he has already been registered then you wopnt need to send his passport off this time !!

Also there is a new Intro section of BSJA so you wont need to start at BN (this is 1m) they start at 75cm - you could jump a few of those on a ticket and see how you get on ???

Most people unless competing youngsters would go out and jump unaffialited first at 3ft + level before going to BSJA !!
 
Oops sorry, didn't realise you don't have to send the passport off if the horse has been registered before!
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I personally would want to be jumping 3ft unaff before paying out to affiliate because there aren't that many intro shows, but maybe jump some smaller classes at intro shows on a ticket. British Novice is 90cm!
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if he has already been registered then you wopnt need to send his passport off this time !!

Also there is a new Intro section of BSJA so you wont need to start at BN (this is 1m) they start at 75cm - you could jump a few of those on a ticket and see how you get on ???

Most people unless competing youngsters would go out and jump unaffialited first at 3ft + level before going to BSJA !!

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Actually BN is 90cms in the first round going up to a max of 1m in the JO. Also, there's actually no lower limit on the Intro classes although i've never seen one below 80cms
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Out of interest how does the OP know the horse has BSJA'd before if they don't know it's affiliated name and there is no BSJA number overstamped onto the passport
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You might just find it easier to register him again from scratch tbh
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Actually BN is 90cms in the first round going up to a max of 1m in the JO. Also, there's actually no lower limit on the Intro classes although i've never seen one below 80cms
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Out of interest how does the OP know the horse has BSJA'd before if they don't know it's affiliated name and there is no BSJA number overstamped onto the passport
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You might just find it easier to register him again from scratch tbh
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I don't understand why there is no number stamped on the passport, I know he has BSJA's before because I know the previous owner and previous rider, and was given some pro photos from when he did it. I searched the name on his passport on the BSJA website and it came up with a pony fitting the description and of that height, but with a number after the name

Ideally I would jump some bigger unaffiliated courses, but they just haven't had them locally, and what there is tends to be built very small
 
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if he has already been registered then you wopnt need to send his passport off this time !!

Also there is a new Intro section of BSJA so you wont need to start at BN (this is 1m) they start at 75cm - you could jump a few of those on a ticket and see how you get on ???

Most people unless competing youngsters would go out and jump unaffialited first at 3ft + level before going to BSJA !!

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Actually BN is 90cms in the first round going up to a max of 1m in the JO. Also, there's actually no lower limit on the Intro classes although i've never seen one below 80cms
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Out of interest how does the OP know the horse has BSJA'd before if they don't know it's affiliated name and there is no BSJA number overstamped onto the passport
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You might just find it easier to register him again from scratch tbh
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well they are always built to about a 1m im sure !!! well depends on where you go !!

yes the intro is supposed to start at 75cm - ill look on bsja website and post !!
 
Oo that looks great thanks! The unaff there looks pretty good too, so think its worth me getting out and doing as much as poss to see how it goes, jump on a ticket etc then if all's well aim for next year. Now to sort out transport
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if he has already been registered then you wopnt need to send his passport off this time !!

Also there is a new Intro section of BSJA so you wont need to start at BN (this is 1m) they start at 75cm - you could jump a few of those on a ticket and see how you get on ???

Most people unless competing youngsters would go out and jump unaffialited first at 3ft + level before going to BSJA !!

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Actually BN is 90cms in the first round going up to a max of 1m in the JO. Also, there's actually no lower limit on the Intro classes although i've never seen one below 80cms
smile.gif


Out of interest how does the OP know the horse has BSJA'd before if they don't know it's affiliated name and there is no BSJA number overstamped onto the passport
tongue.gif
You might just find it easier to register him again from scratch tbh
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well they are always built to about a 1m im sure !!! well depends on where you go !!

yes the intro is supposed to start at 75cm - ill look on bsja website and post !!

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I don't know where you jump in Kent or Sussex but i've jumped at most venues and never see 'big' BN's
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If you check the BSJA website under 'Development' it gives details of all the Schedule Categorisations including Intro, and you will see that there is no minimum height just a maximum height for classes (1m) at this category of show
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This allows each area to tailor their schedules according to the demand...
 
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if he has already been registered then you wopnt need to send his passport off this time !!

Also there is a new Intro section of BSJA so you wont need to start at BN (this is 1m) they start at 75cm - you could jump a few of those on a ticket and see how you get on ???

Most people unless competing youngsters would go out and jump unaffialited first at 3ft + level before going to BSJA !!

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Actually BN is 90cms in the first round going up to a max of 1m in the JO. Also, there's actually no lower limit on the Intro classes although i've never seen one below 80cms
smile.gif


Out of interest how does the OP know the horse has BSJA'd before if they don't know it's affiliated name and there is no BSJA number overstamped onto the passport
tongue.gif
You might just find it easier to register him again from scratch tbh
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well they are always built to about a 1m im sure !!! well depends on where you go !!

yes the intro is supposed to start at 75cm - ill look on bsja website and post !!

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I don't know where you jump in Kent or Sussex but i've jumped at most venues and never see 'big' BN's
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If you check the BSJA website under 'Development' it gives details of all the Schedule Categorisations including Intro, and you will see that there is no minimum height just a maximum height for classes (1m) at this category of show
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This allows each area to tailor their schedules according to the demand...

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wow chill out no need for all that - ive competed at most venues in kent, essex, sussex, surrey and im not saying they are huge just they are bigger than what she will be used to !!

most schedules ive seen for Intro have a 75cm and 85 cm etc etc !!

anyway she likes the cobham one so lets leave it at that !
 
Thanks for all your help everyone, to be honest I'm not worried about the height so much as I doubt he'd have any problem, we jump much bigger at home and he never struggles, its more a striding type issue that keeps coming up unaff with 1 and half stride doubles! Much less worying to try over a smaller course tho, so really glad you mentioned those
 
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If you check the BSJA website under 'Development' it gives details of all the Schedule Categorisations including Intro, and you will see that there is no minimum height just a maximum height for classes (1m)

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I thought all BSJA classes had to have 80% of the course up to the max height..... TBH there wouldnt be much point jumping a 1m class for example the course designer could choose to only make it like 75cm....!
 
QR as not literate enough to do it properly!

Are you sure that the 1.5 stride doubles problem was just you, and not a non BSJA designer getting it a bit wrong? Were other, bigger horses struggling to get the distance, or was it just you?

With BSJA you should have a decent minimum standard of course, so there shouldn't be any "wrong" distances (until higher levels anyway).
 
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If you check the BSJA website under 'Development' it gives details of all the Schedule Categorisations including Intro, and you will see that there is no minimum height just a maximum height for classes (1m)

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I thought all BSJA classes had to have 80% of the course up to the max height..... TBH there wouldnt be much point jumping a 1m class for example the course designer could choose to only make it like 75cm....!

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I'm not sure I understand the point you are making
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Yes, a 1m class will be mainly made up of 1m fences, but the Intro Category of schedule allows for classes to be scheduled with a max height far lower than BN which used to be the smallest at 90cms. So a 75cms class will be made up of mainly 75cms fences
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Remember, Intro refers to the schedule category not the class and an Intro schedule can contain a BN and a 1m class.
 
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QR as not literate enough to do it properly!

Are you sure that the 1.5 stride doubles problem was just you, and not a non BSJA designer getting it a bit wrong? Were other, bigger horses struggling to get the distance, or was it just you?

With BSJA you should have a decent minimum standard of course, so there shouldn't be any "wrong" distances (until higher levels anyway).

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it wasn't just me, when I did the trailblazers there was only one clear round, and it was the only pony in the class, and with the others where we had striding problems none of the horses went clear, just ponies. It's why I was getting a bit fed up with jumping unaffiliated, its very off putting!
 
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