Bucking help please...as my confidence plummets

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Hi all,

Would be very grateful for some suggestions as to how to cure a nasty buck, please. I'm sure it's not nasty (although his feet regularly clear my head), just exuberance and lack of balance, but I'm finding that the more he does it, the faster my confidence runs away with me. In fact, I will admit, my bottle is quite lost - and I hate myself for it. I used to be quite fearless...

He has had his saddle fitted to him, and he has had his back checked. He is having his teeth done next week. My instructor says he's just being naughty and evasive...but it's really getting to me.

Mr S, 7, is an ex NH racer who only ever achieved one PtP in his life time - in May 2011. His owner schooled, hunted, hacked him and did a bit of pole work (think she may have done a clear round or two). She sold him to the person I bought him off who no sooner had she bought him found out she was pregnant. She rode him in the school only for 6 months (he's got all the basics) and then he did nothing from January to mid June this year when I bought him. He came home to me on 06 July. We try to go out hacking twice/three times a week, and school 3 times per week with one jumping session. The boy can jump. He needs a lot of work to build up his back end which even looks weak. No hills in the Fens so have to resort to other methods.

I'm making promises to get up and lunge three mornings a week now the children are back at school but thus far attempts have been thwarted so he's lucky to get one. After yesterday's experience I will lunge him tonight before schooling, however. I am using a chambon to help build up his back muscles as I don't own a pessoa and given his propensity to fly kick at anything, am not sure I want anything round his back end at the moment.

The first time I experienced his abilities to buck was on our second hack...he bronc-ed on the Green. It was quite frightening not least because it was covered in kids. I got off when he took a pause. And put it down to the flies. But that was just the start. I've had it in the school every other session, and when we went to our first show, I found I was sitting on an unexploded bomb. As a result, we didn't jump because I thought that if he got his head down that would be it. On our hack last week, his feet hit the stubble and the back ones didn't really come down again - clever horse, can buck in trot. I obviously pull his head up but it takes the wind out of my sails and this in turn means I'm not driving him on.

Last night I whipped him round in tiny circles until I was dizzy before he could put in a 4th one in succession - don't flame me, please, I reacted badly and that's why I am writing on here for advice.

So, if you managed to get to the end of that long winded plea for help, please do tell me what I should be doing, when, and how. I have ridden ex-TBs galore but this one is mine and I'm b*ggered if he's going to beat me.

Thank you. And apologies if I don't come back on straight away, I have a deadline to meet for work. Will be back later.
 
No flaming, you did what you had to do, reacting to what you could feel under you. Makes perfect sense to me, I'd have done the same!
I would not discount that it is saddle or back, whatever checks you have had. I would try another saddle, one that is absolutely 100% trustworthy. (I have 1 or 2 here you're welcome to borrow, I lay my life that they're fine, and I'm not far from P'boro.)
If you haven't already I would bin all hard feed, have him living out, etc. Get rid of his energy as much as possible.
Otherwise, impossible to say without seeing what he does, but if your instructor is right, then I would:
lunge him hard for a long time before getting on. include canter on both reins. girthed up as tight as if you were on. if he bucks AT ALL on lunge, keep going until he doesn't.
wear a good bp.
i'd get on on concrete on tarmac, much less likely to buck on slippery hard surfaces.
get on and keep him on the right rein only until he feels 100% relaxed. (my trainer told me this, his theory is that most horses are left sided so feel more athletic etc to the left, so if you keep circling right they are MUCH less likely to launch into high jinks. so far it has worked for me...)
if he starts, yell "NO" and yank his head up, whatever it takes.. if he stops, fine. pat, breathe, relax, turn head to the right, and if he feels relaxed, walk on again. if he feels explosive, just sit and wait until he relaxes again. or, get off and lunge again. no egos here... ;) ;) good luck!
 
Firstly dont give up, he will sence your apprehension so take deep breaths!

Right, put him in a loose ring snaffle, standing martingale, big thick saddle pad, nice fluffy girth cover (very cheap). Once tacked up pull his legs forward to ensure girth is not pinching.

Mount via a mounting block or leg up (so not to pull his back).

Work him on a road or hard surface for a few weeks, do not do anthing else as you will increase his fitness which in turn will create an excited horse. Take your time and try to remember what he was bred to do and take him back to routine. It will all come good just teach him little at a time! bless he is a bloke and cant deal with too much at once!
 
Oh I absolutely feel your pain with my bucker! Unfortunately I don't really know the answer but will watch with interest :-) probably not a good time to tell you I came off and broke my arm a couple of weeks ago :-\ Please be careful! Wear a BP, and in my case I could have done with elbow pads :-(

I think with mine it probably is at least partly saddle, so since I am having 3 whole months off he will get a break and then many checks and fittings! I was also trying a myler bit at the time, guess it didn't work! Think I may also try a rubber bit as he is a little sensitive.

Mine bucks in walk, trot, canter, when made to wait at a gate (that is of course when I went straight over his head), whenever he feels like it the exuberant little pest! I fell onto dry hard grass and was so glad it wasn't concrete (honestly I have sprained, fractured and had a tendon reattached it couldn't be much worse) so really, be careful!!

Sorry if I am worrying you :-)
 
I feel for you. Firstly you are NOT alone, all the youngsters I come across (inc my own homebreds) buck and it IS scary, you aren't being a wimp.

I would agree about ridding him of energy; turn him out, stop hard feed, and lunge him before you get on. If you need to lunge for 30 mins and ride for 5 at the beginning, then that is fine, just wear the little monkey out!

The last one I had who really bucked like stink (vertical) my instructor used to say stick your lower legs right forward when they do it, as it stops you being pinged off. It isn't pretty but it does work. Also means you can wedge yourself there and try and get their heads up.

I would also ditto comments re back protector and air vest. I've just got one for my 3 year old, I can tell she's going to be a broncing queen once she gets going ;0)
 
Not a lot of advice to add, but just to say I'm right there with you. Got bucked off my four year old yesterday. Was saved by a back protector and modern safety standard hat.

Paula
 
Thank you all.

Right...thank you Kerilli re saddles. It doesn't matter whether I am riding in my dressage or jumping saddle, happens just the same. They were checked and fitted two months ago. Mark Fisher is out to us next week - will see if I can have them all checked again. You don't want to come and ride him, do you, and tell me what you think?

Ironically, yesterday's explosion was on the right rein. He had been working nicely and I asked him to come off the circle we were cantering on and go large. When I bought him I thought he was the most laid back TB I'd ever met. In fact, quite lazy. A bit of fitness, I suppose, and he's at that in between stage where he's not fit enough but feeling good. It is like a switch has pinged.

He's on his forehand a lot of the time and I really have to work to bring his back end underneath him - weak back muscles, I guess. Under the guidance of my instructor I have been working on sitting on the inside of the saddle to work in a circle, but I'm not doing that if I spill out the side door! He has been well-schooled, his previous owner is an RoR person and has retrained a number of successful TBs out there. He can even do a bit of lateral work. I will focus on the right rein tactics.

Mark Gilbert - Loose ring snaffle, check. Fluffy numnah, check. Will invest in girth cover. Always pull legs forward. Martingale - have been using a running (even in the school:() but will invest. Mounting block mount - check. He's 16.2 and quite high withered so have ensured I am not pulling anything by always using a mounting block. I will also work on the roads a bit more.

Foodwise, he's on A&P's Calm and Condition and chaff. And Thoroughbred Calmer (no Mg) for all the good it seems to be doing. Unfortunately 24/7 turnout is not an option and he is in at night. Our summer grass has just about finished and he will be coming into our (very small) winter paddocks and be on hay for two out of every three days over the winter. The third he will be on grass. He needs to put weight on - his top line is dreadful. I will cut his feed down again - should I use linseed oil to try and build up the top line?

Thank you Polotash and Mandwhy for your reassurance. I won't be giving up. I would just like it to be fun again. We've had a lot of bad luck over the last three years and this is my de-stresser.

Thank you again.
 
Right, put him in a loose ring snaffle, standing martingale, big thick saddle pad, nice fluffy girth cover (very cheap). Once tacked up pull his legs forward to ensure girth is not pinching.

A big thick saddle pad will not help if the saddle is not fitted to be used with it. If saddle is too narrow, this will make the problem worse...
 
Hi try bringing in a trainer to cure the horse of the bucking in the first place, if you know it's not going to happen will give you a chance to work on you confidence. I had a horse that would always rear when I tried to mount, or initially asked him to move on. I called a guy called Mike Malone based in Kent, within half an hour no more bucking, and he has never done it since (He is "Prince" 17hh kwpn) :-) result! His website is www.perfecthorse.co.uk, I paid about £100 compared to some I looked at £250 plus! Money well spent
 
When I bought him I thought he was the most laid back TB I'd ever met. In fact, quite lazy. A bit of fitness, I suppose, and he's at that in between stage where he's not fit enough but feeling good. It is like a switch has pinged.

Oh yes, mine is another one of those!! I have got him as someone bought him as a safe happy hacker (he is still a 4yo TB) and then came the bucking so she would not get on him again. I thought I could sit anything and often have my legs wedged into that anti buck position, SIGH!

Good luck with him!
 
No, sorry, happy to make suggestions and offer to lend stuff but my trick knee might not cope with a major ditching, there's no telling! I would definitely get Mark to look at saddles again and to see you ride the horse in them, 100% necessary imho.
 
I agree with everyone who has said get everything checked & double checked (including his teeth).
Personally, I wouldn't be working on the road at this point - if this horse isn't bucking out of pure excitement he may just be inclined to buck anywhere & you definitely don't want to be dumped on concrete. I understand the principle behind this but IMO until you find the reason for the bucking it might not be the safest option and understandably you won't feel as confident if he starts acting up in the middle of the road.
I think if you have everything checked and are confident that it's not a pain reaction then you need to be riding this boy really forwards - I agree with lunging him to take the wind out of his sails a bit but beware that this will make him fitter.
When my boy has his 'whoopeeeeee' moments & a good old buck the best thing I can do is kick him (if it's safe to be kicking forwards obviously) - pull his head up, then kick him on. It doesn't look or feel very pretty but I've found it works for me. My instructor advised me to do this after riding him himself & feeling the bucks out hacking - it was pure pent up energy.
Good luck :)
 
Thanks again. Will get Mark to look again when he comes on 21st. And in the meantime, he will be lunged within an inch of his life ;) before each ride. I know he will get fitter, but hopefully we will build up some mutual respect with me in the alpha role.

Thanks Kerilli, I was only half serious. It's my battle, I will win it.

Am investing in a new back protector - my current one is very uncomfortable and catches on the cantle of my dressage saddle.
 
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