Bucking when going disunited in canter.

[pipper]

Never when schooling - only when hacking. Lovely TB mare. Tack/back/teeth all checked regually. Smashing hack except every now and again she will go disunited with her back end - legs start changing then does a massive buck! Has me off every time and I can sit most bucks! These are big buggers!! Its as if she sort of slips with the back legs, gets them into a muddle and then WHAM! Any ideas please.....

 

[showjumpingfilly]

No help sorry but my 6 year old bucks during a flying change to change her back legs rather than be disunited little devils, she hasnt had me off though.....yet

 

[pipper]

No help sorry but my 6 year old bucks during a flying change to change her back legs rather than be disunited little devils, she hasnt had me off though.....yet

This mare is very up at the back end when doing flying changes, luckily no woppers so far. She is a LOT older than 6 though!! Dont know how she still has the suppleness to do it! - So thats 2 of us waiting to see if anyone has any suggestions then!!

 

[Topstripe]

I am interested in this thread too as I have a 6 year old full ID who has a tendancy to buck when cantering too fast. Its like he gets too unbalanced and then throws a buck in, he is a very uphill chap and works too much on the bit, and have to work at pushing him through making him use his backend but then he rushes and bucks!!! GRRRRR

I have just had physio out and he is sore between his front legs, she thinks he pulls himself along instead of using his back end to push himself forward (lazy git ha ha ha).

Yours cant be unbalanced though if its out hacking not schooling - interesting...will follow thread for suggestions...sorry can't help x
;-) Good luck - I am sure you will find a solution!

 

[pipper]

Cummmon Cummon you expert HHO's!!! there's 3 of us now who need to know the answer - or at least how to stop it LOL!!!

 

[Frumpoon]

Ummmm...ok I'm no expert but my big warmblood used to do this when I first got him, he was 7 and couldn't do a neat trot - canter transition and land on the right leg at all....can't really remember how exactly we fixed it, it was just a process of moving him in an outline, clear aids, keeping between hand and leg [this was hard work...he's a big lad] and keeping him more or less on the right bend...

 

[GlamourDol]

Does she go disunited and then a few strides later buck? Or is it immediately?
Is there a particular movement that causes it, or is it coming into the corners for example?

Have you had her back checked?

 

[GlamourDol]

Just seen the first poster said she has back checked reguarly, but other questions still stand:

 

[MiCsarah]

My boy bucks or what feels like a bloody big buck but he's actually just changing his legs behind. Very strange that she doesn't do it when schooled or I would say she is also weak behind like my boy. It's not when she goes up a hill?

 

[shortstuff99]

Sometimes if young horses get in a muddle with their legs when cantering they can buck to try and sort themselves out/ kind of muddle through it if you get what I mean? Often when they get more established they stop this. Also she could just be excited to be out?

 

[pipper]

She does it cantering out on a hack, but not going into canter, she also has done it cantering on a track when going round a bend and got her back legs into a muddle (at least i THINK that is what happened).

 

[Holly Hocks]

My TB mare started doing this last year - it was one of the first signs that I had of spavin and hind proximal suspensory ligament injury. At the very beginning there was no lameness to see...

 

[MiCsarah]

As with hh's horse mine also has hock spavins

 

[showjumpingfilly]

I think my 6 year old is just a little too impatient to change properly. She bucks a lot - canter transitions, going to a
Fence, shortening her stride. She gets far too excited! She's been given a clean bill of health by vet so not physical.

 

[pipper]

Oh Blimee - that doesnt sound good - she has no lameness at all and never does this on a circle or any schooling, she is not at all stiff when first ridden or walked out of the stable in the morning.
Perhaps i should speak to the vet and get him to check her over - she has been doing this for a number of years - got no better nor worse? .....

 

[Holly Hocks]

Oh Blimee - that doesnt sound good - she has no lameness at all and never does this on a circle or any schooling, she is not at all stiff when first ridden or walked out of the stable in the morning.
Perhaps i should speak to the vet and get him to check her over - she has been doing this for a number of years - got no better nor worse? .....

If she's been doing it for years, then I doubt it's spavin or suspensory ligament problems - they would have got worse, or the spavin would have fused. And generally it's worse in the school because of the circles, so doesn't sound like that.

Maybe she bucks when she's disunited as she knows it feels wrong and it's her way of correcting herself? Probably something simple. Good luck with sorting it out.

 

[showqa]

Do hock spavins always show up more in canter? Interested because one of mine does this, only in canter (has a fabulous trot). It has actually been a lot better the last few months as we've been working with the osteo who has actually said that his back was misaligned.

 

[Queenbee]

Never when schooling - only when hacking. Lovely TB mare. Tack/back/teeth all checked regually. Smashing hack except every now and again she will go disunited with her back end - legs start changing then does a massive buck! Has me off every time and I can sit most bucks! These are big buggers!! Its as if she sort of slips with the back legs, gets them into a muddle and then WHAM! Any ideas please.....

I would assume (without seeing) that she bucks and goes back into a proper rhythm... almost like she kick starts herself out of disunited-ness, If this is the case, I would always bring back to trot when disunited then back into canter, lessning the time that the mare spends out of canter, if you can practice this in the school, I know she doesn't buck in the school so it should give her more of an idea of how to do it without bucking, eventually you should be able to get the correction down to a half halt and a leg signal without backing out of canter and without a buck on a hack.

 

[coss]

is she getting her legs muddled or is she throwing herself disunited? my pony used to throw himself disunited through tension - i had to work on a lot of suppleness work and work on gaining more control over his backend so i could hold him straighter - now he only does disunited when really tense (ie, spooking, in a new place, freshness) which causes him to be tense through his back and therefore he can't coordinate the back legs as well, as the back legs aren't under as much they won't be flexing the same and eventually you either get a massive buck as a release of tension or they go disunited (and buck).
re the flying changes comment - if the horse isn't engaged enough and uphill enough for the flying change the change can't be as through and to get enough air to change sometimes the horse is bucking just as an attempt to please (rode another horse like this but he had other issues which prevented him getting supple enough to be engaged enough).
so i'd work on balance and suppleness and get your outside aids in place. for a time i had to ride haunches in in canter to break the habit- if his back end was haunches in, he would throw himself straight rather than disunited - most of the time

another horse i ride had a stuck hamstring - rather squint horse and it literally felt like her hind legs were joined together in canter as she tightened up. had someone out that basically does a deep massage - she found the stuck hamstring - was rock solid and that helped with the problem. then had to work on opening her up over her back and teaching her to go more forwards as she'd only disunite when she got stuck - ie, she'd back off the aids, go too collected and her back stopped moving so her legs couldn't function right. She didn't buck really, just tripped her way into trot - lots of suppling work and relaxation of the jaw and we only get the odd disunited now when she's tired or i ask too much of her hence cause tension!