Call to muzzle and keep "status" dogs on leads

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There was a report on the breakfast TV on this. Really quite upsetting - I have staffies and am a responsible staffie owner. Liverpool council seem to have completely missed the point that it is down to the owners as to how the dogs behave - and punishing the dogs does not correct the problem. They showed a picture of a staffie running around in the park (not harming anyone/dog) as an example that it should be kept on a lead in public places.

I am fully in favour of anything which makes dogs (and in particular) staffies less of a fashionable breed but would welcome measures aimed more at the owner and not the dog - the dogs behaviour is the result of the owners treatment. it did show how the rescues are overrun with staffies..

I think the council is missing the point here - any views?
 
I own a staffy too & it really upsets me when this sort of thing is said, if I'm in a public place or anywhere near other dogs I always leash mine, just because of the bad press they get, but I've lost count of how many 'soppy labradors' & other breeds have come charging over barking, growling etc, their owners having NO control whatsoever
 
Prince played with a fabulous Bull Terrier at the dog park this am. A big softie, he knew to be gentle with Stella and the other small dogs (Prince doesn't qualify
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Agree they are missing the point to some extent , apart from anything else the tragic cases of children being killed have happened in the home anyway, so the above wouldn't make a scrap of difference. However, my daughter lived in Liverpool for 3 years and nearly every other yob had a staffie, they used to have them "training" in the park opposite her house by letting them tug on branches etc, and bait them with each other, through the fencing. Although that staffie didn't appear to be causing anyone any problem I have to admit I would be a little concerned if I was walking my dogs and met an unaccompanied staffie.
Daughter is a vet student and they used to get dogs from the dog pound that have been destroyed for their practical work, and apparently nearly all were staffies or staffie crosses, so it is a huge problem in the city.
 
I'm a big believer in punishing the deed not the breed.....but also a fan of not allowing the kind of people who use dogs as weapons to own pets (or breed in fact but that's a different debate
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Actually, no offense to the GSD lover, but its a bit of a comfort that its not just staffies that get it in the neck! my dogs are such clowns with big characters and huge people lovers (no joke about them eating one all at once please..!) I was able to take my old staffie girl out on hacks as she would ignore everything to stay up with me and would run through a pack of dogs and blank them completely - on the other hand she had appalling taste in men and embarrased me on many occasions by fixating on a complete stranger in a pub or walk and wanting to say hello. Her taste was a bit dodgy as well!
 
None taken - my point was that I know what it is like to be treated as a pariah because of how other people have dragged up their dogs and it upsets me when all dogs are punished because of the actions of a few scumbags.

That said, my dog has never been off lead in a park and probably never will, even if he was the most perfect poppet, some people don't like to see GSDs charging around off the lead, some people find it scary, there are plenty of other places where they can hoon around so I just don't.

Dublin City Council made moves to evict all dogs on their dangerous dogs list from council houses a few years - there were plenty of older people with aged and well behaved GSDs, Rotts and bullies who were in a bit of a pickle
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I just wish there was a way to be more selective about things - the people this law is aimed at, will not abide by it.
The law abiding people with well behaved dogs will see their breeds further stigmatised (it's in a muzzle, it must be a killer, EEEK!)
 
The problem with these types of laws is that the people they are trying to target tend to ignore them - and the good owners who already keep their dogs trained and under control are victimised. So they really don't help anybody or solve any problems.

CC I used to take my dogs home to Dublin a couple of times a year (saved a fortune on kennels
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I wish there was some way to stop staffies being status symbol dogs. There are two along my road who are currently lovely dogs but their teenage owners seem hell bent on changing that fact
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I really want one as a second dog but tbh I'm so used to Yellow Dog's chillaxed attitude I'm not sure I could cope with a staffie's energy
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Living in a chavvish town
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there are quite a lot of staffie/staffie mixes around but the two most dangerous dogs round here (aggressive ones who are always off the lead) are a collie and an afghan... I've never seen the collie on a lead - if I see them in the distance I turn away because it will run across the park to get at anothe dog.
 
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CC I used to take my dogs home to Dublin a couple of times a year (saved a fortune on kennels
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We could never take our dogs on holiday with us because my mother refused point blank to muzzle them!
Thanks for taking some home with you - I apologise on behalf of my numbnut countrymen - STOP BREEDING! WE'RE NOT THAT BIG!!!!!
 
oooooooooo dont get me started on this! - it absolutely infuriates me!

I am the now proud owner of a lazy, stoopid but incredibly gentle rottie, and before her had a "dodgy" rescued staffie - (long story!
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Again, he was the most sweet natured dog ever!

Im sick to death of everyone looking at the breed and not the owner when things go wrong!! - The powers that be should be looking at stopping these Tw*ts getting dogs for status symbols instead! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Lol, in my lovely town in Italy dogs are not even allowed into the park -- not even on a lead! If you want to walk your dog you have to do it on the streets.

So I wouldn't complain if I were you
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I have a Staffie- he's been set on 3 times, each time he was on the lead with me at the end of it- Twice he was set on by collie types who were on leads but no owner on end of lead and once by a cat! What was his reaction all three times? Cower on the floor and look emploringly at me to get the unfriendly animal off him. Perhaps I could enquire into that cat being muzzled?
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