Calling all Antis

[Hercules]

You all proclaim to be experts on hunting.

What is your understanding of the term ''hunting with dogs''?

Clear and concise answers please.

Cheers.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

Given the partial definition in the hunting act it's anything defined in the act as hunting, pursuit, flushing out and also anything in the ordinary English meaning of the word hunt such as searching or dispersing

If you use or allow a dog to do any of these things then you're hunting. Also if you do any of thse things accompanied by a dog then you're hunting with a dog.

Your purpose can be to kill, have a good time, disperse or to observe the wild mammal or presumably various other things.

Like all criminal actions there must be a mens rea of 'intent'. In law this means you either intend the hunting to take place or know it is or will take place and don't stop it.

 

[LACS]

I think the DEFRA memo on this says "hunting with dogs" should be interpreted in its normal English sense, or something to that effect. I'd therefore define it as using dogs to hunt. In other words, it's common sense whether someone is hunting with dogs. In the scenario AA has described (oh so many times) he's clearly not hunting with dogs.

 

[Hercules]

In the act of flushing, when is a dog hunting and when is it not?

 

[LACS]

You have to look at the whole picture and not be blinkered. I think, for example, stag hunting is hunting.

 

[AlanE]

LACS, you don't seem to realize what you are saying! Since the Exmoor huntsman was doing the same thing as AA, near a public road and in full view of the odious 'monitors' (snitches, informants etc), are you trying to say HE did NOT think he was complying with the law? LLike AA, he clearly didn't want the hounds to catch a fox. The only thing that differs is that in the Exmoor case someone else would try to shoot the fox; if he could get in the right place.

 

[Hercules]

''I think, for example, stag hunting is hunting. ''

The police and CPS obviously don't (or at least consider it to be exempt hunting), otherwise there would have been a prosecution by now.

You don't really know the answers, do you?

Cheers.

 

[LACS]

Wright was hunting with dogs. It's very simple.

 

[LACS]

I've answered every question put to me.

Just because the police take no action doesn't mean no law has been broken. The DEFRA and police policy - and one I agree with - is that hunting has a low priority.

 

[Hercules]

What is your idea of what constitutes 'hunting with dogs'?

You still haven't answered that very basic question.

 

[LACS]

I think stag hunting is hunting with dogs.

 

[Fairynuff]

Dont want to sound base, but... Its the usual promise of, "dont worry, I ll pull out in time"= 9 months later a new set of lungs screaming for air. Dont believe it, most dont have any intention of "pulling out in time". M.

 

[Hercules]

LACS,

How about foxhunting? Do you think that is hunting, and if so, what is your interpretation of 'hunting with dogs'?

Cheers.

 

[LACS]

Hahaha!

tallyhoitus-interruptus?

 

[LACS]

I think foxhunting i.e. where people are hunting foxes with dogs, is hunting with dogs, yes.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

"I think the DEFRA memo on this says "hunting with dogs" should be interpreted in its normal English sense, or something to that effect."

Not quite what they say, they say that 'hunting' should be understood in it's ordinary meaning. In the same memo they say that it includes searching for a wild mammal.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

We all know that fox and stag hunting are hunting, the question is how does it apply to other things, what one might call domestic or informal hunting.