Calling time on show jumping

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Hey,
Article i wrote a little while back, which explains the slightly dated first para, which I would be interested to hear your views on. Slightly long but do please take the time!

Let me tell you a story. I was looking forward to watching the Hickstead Derby in my student house, providing I managed to change the program from ‘Come Dine with Me’, when I was informed that it was not going to be shown on terrestrial TV anymore. I took the bold move of wandering into my local sports bar, in the centre of Reading, and asking for it to be put on. They duly obliged and I spent the next thirty minutes in debate with the landlord regarding the action. He had two main issues. Firstly was that ‘they keep doing the same thing’ i.e. jump the same course and knock the same fences down. Secondly he was dubious that the fences were, as I claimed, ‘bloomin massive’ and that a horse won’t simply jump what’s put in front of it. After my attempts to explain the technicalities of striding and ‘bascule’ (a mistake on my behalf I will admit) he simply shook his head and muttered that it was a sport for ‘fairies and toffs’ before returning to Page 3. I would like to report that this was simply one persons view but it is time to face facts ladies and gentlemen, British show jumping (and Eventing to a lesser extent) is in major trouble.

24,000 seats not sold at the European finals on home soil. Many people were unaware the event was even occurring. The majority of newspapers failed to cover it and if a report was written it was crammed at the bottom of a page. And I don’t blame them, newspapers write about what the public want to hear and the public don’t care about show jumping. That’s why they aren’t sending any reporters to the upcoming W.E.G. And why the Hickstead Derby was dropped by the BBC. The British public is bored by show jumping. It wasn’t always like this though. I’m sure many members of a certain generation can still hum the opening bars to the coverage of the Horse of the Year Show which occupied prime time coverage on terrestrial television. When the likes of Stroller and Ryans Son, the Whitakers and Harvey Smith went crashing over imposing obstacles in front of large terrestrial television audiences. Now we have to scroll through to find British Eurosport or attempt to find an elusive highlights package online.

However there is one beacon of light and that is the BBC bringing back the Alltech Olympia Puissance class to primetime television with impressive viewing figures. Indeed a friend of mine stumbled across it channel hopping and begrudgingly admitted to being impressed by it. This is because the Puissance has three major draws for a non-equestrian viewer; speed (classes don’t last for hours on end, indeed the building of the wall in between rounds helps to create not only a sense of scale but also adds drama to the overall spectacle), simplicity (whoever jumps highest wins) and excitement (man + horse vs. wall). This cocktail leads to viewing figures and increased interest in our sport which can only be a good thing.

So what do we do? Do we continue in the same vein as we are now and watch the sponsors slowly drift away from the sport? Bury our heads in the sand whilst the prize money seeps away and the general public loses any vestige of interest? I disagree; it is time the sport that I dearly love moves with the time and modernises. We need to look at other sports and see what they have done to boost popularity. Take the great British institution of cricket. Test cricket now has a popular but rebellious younger brother, one that discards the traditional whites for more garish colours and goes by a name with numbers in it; Twenty20. I don’t like cricket but I have watched a couple of Twenty20 matches and it is simpler, quicker and more exciting than its distinguished older brother. So perhaps equestrian sports can take a leaf out of cricket’s book?

Indeed Eventing has already made an attempt at modernisation. A cumbersome three day event (which is difficult for a broadcaster to give full coverage to) is compressed into a shorter time span and called Express Eventing. Although it hasn’t had the easiest baptism few question the soundness of the concept. Naturally the Cross Country phase loses some of its traditional ‘fear factor’ but its positives as a spectacle far outweigh its negatives. It is located within an arena so is spectator friendly. Excitement is easier to maintain as the score is more apparent to the novice viewer. It is broadcaster friendly in that it doesn’t last anywhere near as long as a full three day event. The dressage element is more entertaining with a bit of Aerosmith ‘Walk this Way’ in the background. All of these add up to a more exciting overall viewing experience. So as Express Eventing has begun to transform the sport into a more manageable format perhaps show jumping should try the same.

Therefore I suggest that show jumping should take a deep breath and look at its ‘novelty’ classes as a way to move forwards. Firstly let me explain my reasoning. We equestrian people enjoy sitting down to watch a Grand Prix because we love to watch horses in full flight, we understand the technicality of the courses and the partnership between horse and rider. However the bloke in the pub rarely cares about that, he wants to turn the T.V. on and be entertained. And show jumping is entertaining. You can hear the buzz as a rider approaches a Puissance wall. I’ve watched a Six Bar competition on YouTube (other file sharing sites are available) and the crowd are electric. I remember watching a Knock Out at Olympia a few years ago and being enthralled by it. These are examples of short, simple and exciting pieces of show jumping. They may not conform to a purist’s idea of what show jumping ‘is’ but they are something that a casual watcher would enjoy. And remember that is the person that British Show Jumping now needs. Someone who will watch a broadcast and think to themselves ‘that entertained me, I’d like to see that again.’ With an increase in viewing figures the likelihood is that sponsors will come back to the sport bringing with them a much needed cash injection.

I am not suggesting a complete overhaul of show jumping as a sport but simply being more aware of our audience. We need to divert attention towards more spectator friendly formats in the hope that this will eventually lead them to watching our Nations Cup teams. Show jumpings stature will then rise again. Someone needs to go to Trafalgar Square and put up a Grand Prix oxer to show people what show jumping is about. Excitement, speed and simplicity are all in abundance within the sport if we look in the right places. Let’s dust off the Six Bar and Knock Out formats and put them where they can be seen. Now is the time for someone put the show back into show jumping otherwise it will be too late.
 

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i think part of the problem with horses and sport is that the general puplic no longer has any understanding or has had any contact with a horse, it was not so long ago that most people knew the milk mans nag, or had contact with a horse in some way, and thus had some understanding of horses even in the most rudimentry form and thus could be better able to apreciate them when they reach the pinnical of sport. i think horses need to be made more accessable to the general public in order for them to be understood and apreceted more. ( sorry i can not spell o save my life!)
 

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Until they realize that if they want sponsorship/public engagement they have to be entertaining they will die in their own high mindedness.

For example, look at how rugby has dragged itself up. We have pin up Johnny wilkinson, dancing Gavin Henson and stade francais now play in pink and have bands and cheerleaders.

..... And what has show jumping done, well last time I watched they just had a display of cruelty in the ring with a bad tempered person whacking his horse when the rider got the striding wrong, and it has made no attemp to alter up it's rather elitist image or build up personalities.

Up to them, they can modernise or become a seriously minority sport.
 

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i think part of the problem with horses and sport is that the general puplic no longer has any understanding or has had any contact with a horse, it was not so long ago that most people knew the milk mans nag, or had contact with a horse in some way, and thus had some understanding of horses even in the most rudimentry form and thus could be better able to apreciate them when they reach the pinnical of sport. i think horses need to be made more accessable to the general public in order for them to be understood and apreceted more. ( sorry i can not spell o save my life!)

THIS!

BUT there are also all sorts of projects like the Ebony Horse Club (who rock) and the Emile Faurie Foundation which are about getting people into riding, but then there's no TV and no newspaper coverage once they get interested...
 

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OP - I think you are on to something.

Far easier to persuade the TV companies to show the puissance than normal showjumping, even as a horsey person watching the showjumping on H&C can become boring when you have a big class jumping the same course, followed by a jump off, and often for the title there are multiple rounds.

There is something to be said for the novelty classes, but I think BS also need to be really pitching for tv business, getting the public interested, having easily understood commentary for the layman, and getting the personalities on our screens more.

It only takes a few personalities to really help a sport, we need to get our own big names on panel shows and reality tv and so on. Lets get Ellen Whittaker in the jungle and Tim Stockdale on strictly!

And maybe we need our own reality tv - I think when Tim Stockdale did that tv show "faking it" and the sports relief "only fools on horses" it was an amazing opportunity which the equestrian sports really failed to grasp with both hands. Lets hope that they make the most of the opportunities the olympics offer.
 

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And maybe we need our own reality tv - I think when Tim Stockdale did that tv show "faking it" and the sports relief "only fools on horses" it was an amazing opportunity which the equestrian sports really failed to grasp with both hands. Lets hope that they make the most of the opportunities the olympics offer.

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Really agree with this, i honestly thought that when "only fools on horses" came around we might be in for a resurgence in public interest. The thing is I remember looking at the viewing figures for it and it got good numbers showing that there is some interest for the concept. However I fear that it is simply interest in seeing people screw up and fall off instead of a genuine appreciation for the sport...!

I know it sounds silly but when the Olympics comes around I really hope that someone puts up a whacking great big oxer in Trafalger Square (other squares are avalible) to show people what show jumping is about. The thing about T.V. is that you never get a sense of scale of just how big and wide the fences are! I walked a non-horsey friend around one of the Foxhunter tracks I jumped and he was genuinely impressed and watched the class when he knew just how big the fences were. I believe I'm right that awhile back someone took dressage into London as a demonstration, not quite the same for SJ of course, anyone know how that went?
 

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It is very difficult and I think Moley and Katt make excellent comments. I used to show jump and be an avid jumping fan but even I can find a "normal" class boring to watch unless it is a big international class (and yes I was one of those fools who paid for full price tickets for the Europeans). My OH who is now quite horsey but didn't used to be actually found the dressage more interesting that the jumping.

One problem I think is that when sports are on TV you get to "know" people and the less show jumping is on the less interest there is in it.

It is not though just show jumping - WRC (the world rally champs) gets an hour's coverage on Dave. Even last week the Welsh rally which used to get brilliant coverage got the total of an hour hidden away on Dave. It is a brilliant, fast action, sport with really easy access to the stars who are personable and intelligent when interviewed but for some reason it gets rubbish coverage.

I have no idea to the answer but do like the idea of trying to take it to the people and that more novelty classes (such as the knockout/ride and drive type classes) would encourage viewing. These easily run along side the grand prix classes at major shows or at least used to - who remembers the brilliant fancy dress classes they used to do at Olympia on the Monday evening before the grand prix? Can still remember the French horses dressed up as cows complete with udders!
 

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I used to show jump and be an avid jumping fan but even I can find a "normal" class boring to watch unless it is a big international class


I have no idea to the answer but do like the idea of trying to take it to the people and that more novelty classes (such as the knockout/ride and drive type classes) would encourage viewing. These easily run along side the grand prix classes at major shows or at least used to - who remembers the brilliant fancy dress classes they used to do at Olympia on the Monday evening before the grand prix? Can still remember the French horses dressed up as cows complete with udders!

I agree! I love watching the Hickstead Derby but after you've watched the same course jumped about 25 times it can get slightly repetitive! This is where I think the novelty classes can come in. The puissance is an awesome spectacle. Knock out formats steal nicely from racing, whatsmore you get to combinations really going for it instead of just aiming for a clear. Even an accumulator class would see different tracks and lines being jumped.

Things really are in the doldrums atm, what harm can it do just to try something new!
 

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In the good old/bad old days you had someone like John Whitaker on Milton.Both names easily memorized and a recognizable partnership.Now you have things like Sanyong oojub or something, and riders change by the minute as the horse is sold from one person to another.No one cares.Sorry.
 

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OP - I think you are on to something.

Far easier to persuade the TV companies to show the puissance than normal showjumping, even as a horsey person watching the showjumping on H&C can become boring when you have a big class jumping the same course, followed by a jump off, and often for the title there are multiple rounds.

There is something to be said for the novelty classes, but I think BS also need to be really pitching for tv business, getting the public interested, having easily understood commentary for the layman, and getting the personalities on our screens more.

It only takes a few personalities to really help a sport, we need to get our own big names on panel shows and reality tv and so on. Lets get Ellen Whittaker in the jungle and Tim Stockdale on strictly!

And maybe we need our own reality tv - I think when Tim Stockdale did that tv show "faking it" and the sports relief "only fools on horses" it was an amazing opportunity which the equestrian sports really failed to grasp with both hands. Lets hope that they make the most of the opportunities the olympics offer.

I agree.
Any sport that takes itself too seriously in this day and age will have trouble getting TV time- the simple reaosn that WWE gets prime time slots pretty much everywhere while the real wrestling goes unnoticed ;)
The "novelty classes" are not trash as most in the sport seem to think,but a wonderfull showcase that will be able to gain public intrest in a way pure jumping can not,and most people still remember Harvey Smith flipping the bird to Douglas Bunn and loved him for it so if the BSJA could just put our riders out there without a lead I'm sure they would gain some support.
 

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There is many probs with BS, for non horsey people there is the boredom factor, all they ever read about it now adays in the paper is riders doping horses.
What happened to the fancy dress at olympia, and the mini and maxi class where famous riders used to do a pairs round with a minor.
There are so many oportunities for BS, but they seem so stuck in the mud and dont seem prepared to jolly anything up and court publicity.
 

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Until they realize that if they want sponsorship/public engagement they have to be entertaining they will die in their own high mindedness.

For example, look at how rugby has dragged itself up. We have pin up Johnny wilkinson, dancing Gavin Henson and stade francais now play in pink and have bands and cheerleaders.

..... And what has show jumping done, well last time I watched they just had a display of cruelty in the ring with a bad tempered person whacking his horse when the rider got the striding wrong, and it has made no attemp to alter up it's rather elitist image or build up personalities.

Up to them, they can modernise or become a seriously minority sport.

That last last line is total *******s!!
 

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Show Jumping format hasn't changed in years and it used to be the 2nd biggest televised sport in the UK. Where did it all go so wrong?
 

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Show Jumping format hasn't changed in years and it used to be the 2nd biggest televised sport in the UK. Where did it all go so wrong?

Perhaps it went wrong because it didn't change and modernise. With so many different sports on T.V. show jumping needs something to 'grab' an audience, right now it doesn't have anything to appeal to the average joe...
 

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I agree with the points being made. I remember Olympia being a right hoot to watch when I was younger so I persuaded my non-horsey OH to watch some of the coverage last year. I have to say I was quite embarrassed. Very little variety in the coverage and not one class that looked 'fun.' I turned it off because I had to admit that it was a bit mind numbing for someone who isn't an enthusiast. :eek:
 

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o I persuaded my non-horsey OH to watch some of the coverage last year. I have to say I was quite embarrassed. Very little variety in the coverage and not one class that looked 'fun.' I turned it off because I had to admit that it was a bit mind numbing for someone who isn't an enthusiast. :eek:

Well tried anyway!
 

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I agree with the points being made. I remember Olympia being a right hoot to watch when I was younger so I persuaded my non-horsey OH to watch some of the coverage last year. I have to say I was quite embarrassed. Very little variety in the coverage and not one class that looked 'fun.' I turned it off because I had to admit that it was a bit mind numbing for someone who isn't an enthusiast. :eek:

I know, they only show the big showjumping class of the day. It was much better when they also showed the fun classes and the grand finale. I like to watch showjumping but I would prefer more variety. If horsey people feel like that what must the non-enthusiast feel like? TV is about entertainment and people want to be entertained.
Showjumping needs to be more entertaining for TV viewers, cricket has done it with 20/20 so it is possible.
 

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That last last line is total *******s!!

Haha FullThrottle, with articulate well argued and well thought out responses like that you sound representative of the old school who would rather die than make the sport more interesting!

Suspect you are also a little bit puzzled about the lack of sponsors/prize money/tv time. This is a horsey forum and yet there are very few who can hand on heart say that watching show jumping in its current form is very interesting so clearly something needs changing.
 

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Hey all,
Thread gone a bit quiet so thought I'd post a follow up query...

I don't have sky sports etcetc but I have seen that they show show jumping from places like spruce meadows (i think) on there sometimes... What is the quality of coverage like? Is it loads better than the rare ocassions it is on the BBC? Also if there are any overseas people on here is the situation the same for you re coverage?

Any comments on OP or this appreciated!

Ben
 

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My old BF hated anything horsey but once I forced him to watch the eventers challenge at hickstead and he loved it! Was laughing his head off at all the falls and was shocked to see the speed they went.

I then forced him to watch the Derby and again he loved the bank and as we watched a recording we fast-forwarded the less interesting bits and just watched the 'thrills and spills'

Perhaps rather then just showing one whole class which goes on for hourse just show the best bits in a half hour slot. And I agree with more novelty classes!

I watched a class at spruce meadows called the double slalom relay, if you don't know what it is google it, you won't be dissapointed :D

ETA: Moley I'm with you there, I think the Sky coverage is so much better quality then the BBC coverage, they got some amazing pictures
 
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*Giggling to herself as she'd never realised what else BS stands for!*

I have to say that the show jumping is the most boring part for me at something like Olympia - I much prefer the Shetland grand national and dog agility unless its the puissance or something. I think there are so many in the classes, and with two rounds, they can go on forever! I enjoyed Hickstead as it was something a bit different, course wise. BS don't really have great ideas for modernising - changing the clothing rules to allow "sports jackets" instead of traditional riding jackets to make it more accessable to Joe Public wasn't ever going to sell it!
 

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My old BF hated anything horsey but once I forced him to watch the eventers challenge at hickstead and he loved it! Was laughing his head off at all the falls and was shocked to see the speed they went.
Snap :D


I then forced him to watch the Derby and again he loved the bank and as we watched a recording we fast-forwarded the less interesting bits and just watched the 'thrills and spills'

Perhaps rather then just showing one whole class which goes on for hourse just show the best bits in a half hour slot. And I agree with more novelty classes!
For the time being,that would be an exalent idea.
If the BS could work with Sky to make Canter Banter ,how shall I put this.........good ;) then there is no reason we could not have a weekly show highlighting our riders over seas and at higher end national level.
BS know the sport,Sky know how to make good sports shows...


I also really belive we MUST stop looking down on novelty classes and instead put them centre stage.
Too many people in the sport seem to think that because it is ou favorite sport,it has an automatic right to TV air time-it does not,and unless we offer up something that the general public can follow and enjoy without prior knowledge of horse sports we will neve get any!



ETA: Moley I'm with you there, I think the Sky coverage is so much better quality then the BBC coverage, they got some amazing pictures
I agree too,the sadness at the derby not being on BBC soon left when I saw what we had got instead!
Both the Hickstead derby and HOYS have had wonderfull coverage.
 

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If the BS could work with Sky to make Canter Banter ,how shall I put this.........good ;) then there is no reason we could not have a weekly show highlighting our riders over seas and at higher end national level.
BS know the sport,Sky know how to make good sports shows...

I presume there is a reason that I've never heard of Canter Banter ... ! Is it really that bad? What does it focus on?
 

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I think there are many obstacles to increasing the interest in SJing and in the main the BS and prof SJers have to take some blame. I think SJing has become inaccessible as a sport and therefore if people don't take part they don't then follow their sport on telly.

1. Its far too expensive to learn to ride at a riding school where lessons are £24 per 1 hr in a mixed group. You need to have a fair few lessons before you can even attempt to jump. There is also the consideration of a new ' kit', clothes , boots, hat etc so at least £100 before you get on a pony. Double this if you have two kids. Its not a quick fix sport, you'd have to really commit for a good six months of regular lessons to feel you're getting somewhere. Most riding schools are not 'comfortable' places to be for families whilst watching junior riding, freezing cold, muddy, bad coffee etc things we accept won't be readily accepted by those more used to Starbucks.

2. If you do take it up as a hobby you can't practice at home unlike football. Therefore costs add up.

3..As someone else said you have to go out your way to have contact with horses these days.

4. Most families don't lead the sort of lifestyle that can accomodate ponies / horses ie timewise or finance wise.

5. Re the professional side - there are no definitive role models, we see on here top riders some love and others hate. No celebrities.

6. When there has been publicity it has been unfortunate ie scanky pants photo shoot, extra maritals, fights / slanging matches, court cases, horse beatings.

7. The TV Commentary needs reviewing, it has been slated on here in the past and we at least have some idea of what is being said, or maybe thats the problem.

8. IME prof SJer's live in a bubble, they only come into contact with the seriously rich or there own kind resulting in huge arrogance in some cases, not an attractive quality in anyone. People like this are hard to relate to for the public.

9. BS seems to have a lot of infighting and lack of respect from its members, doesn't portray a united front.

10. Anyone daring to foray into the world of ownership is likely to be shafted.

11. Watching numerous rounds of SJing is dull even for those of who enjoy the sport.

oh you could go on and on really..........

there are also some fantastic people in the sport unfortunately they are not the ones running it.
 

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5. Re the professional side - there are no definitive role models, we see on here top riders some love and others hate. No celebrities.

6. When there has been publicity it has been unfortunate ie scanky pants photo shoot, extra maritals, fights / slanging matches, court cases, horse beatings.

I agree with both these points. If you look at other smaller sports which get good publicity they have recognisable faces who have come out of success from at the top level of the public spectrum i.e. Sir Chris Hoy/ Victoria Pendleton - cycling, Nathan Robertson/Gail Emms - Badminton, Tom Daley - Diving etcetc The lack of success at Olympic games does hurt the sport. How many people not involved in the sport could name the top British show jumpers at the moment.

Half the problem is, R and J Whitaker apart, it is quite fluid due to people not always having the right horses. If SJ is going to take off we must have medal success at 2012, Ellen Whitaker would be a good 'face', not only is she good looking but seems to have a personality also. However even if we do have success people still wont want to watch a sport that is boring. SJ, in current format = boring.

me

P.S. I had nothing against the photo shoot, presuming u mean the publicity 1 for HOYS/British Open cant quite remember, might as well use the sterotype to our advantage.
 

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Use the search engine on here and you should find out more views about various aspects of whats happening.

You talk about personalities but having seen some of the top SJer's interviewed it is apparent lots can barely string a sentence together and have such strong regional accents they can't be understood easily. Its not just about looks
(although i'm struggling to think of any male SJers who could be considered good looking ), they need to engage the viewer with enlightened, bubbly convo when interviewed. Maybe there is little interviewing done ( even at Hickstead for example riders were only snippet voxpopped ) because they are such bloomin hard work to interview, the top ones need some media training tbh.

Whatever the whys and wherefore though IMO SJ will always remain a monority sport because it is too inaccessable and expensive for the general public to become involved in. How many other sports would you need to be affluent to get started.

The other thing I think is that from my experience, ( I was a city bod and dipped my toe in the water ), SJer's don't foster long term relationships with clients, they'll be your best buddy whilst your spending money with them but as soon as you want to move yards or do something different you're treated like the devil incarnate. People don't always move for negative reasons and the upshot is they'll lose business because these short term fixes are alien to most in the business world who look to foster long term relationships with customers. I wouldn't recommend the two I had involvment with or recommend them to friends / colleagues and they won't have repeat business from me because of the way I was treated when the gravy train ended.

Horse sport only survives and ticks along because it is geared up for those already in the sport, its like a closed club and the only money sloshing around comes from those within the sport already. A few owner / breeders who got lucky with a good horse will rise to the top. I can't remember having a multi million pound purchase for a british rider because there is not the wealth over here, and when did a british rider / owner ever refuse a large offer for their horse to be sold abroad ?. Very understandable though as they are running a business but not good for the national team, and national team sucess = more media attention = more interest = more people becoming involved. The publicity SJing has had so far has been wasted.

It is not set up to attract outsiders.
 
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