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Please help :( I have been giving my horse Global Herbs Super Calm for nearly 2 weeks & since then he has become jumpy,even more spooky than normal & instead of calming him it has had the opp effect???Please help as love him dearly but not sure what to do?????
 
Use magic calm. Really helping my 6yo tb mare. And only been using 2 weeks. Used global herbs super calm on my old Boy and just didn't make any difference. Recommend it to anyone, before i started using magic calm, I couldnt even lead my mare out to the field without rearing, jumping leaping in the the air. Now she walks out brilliantly.
 
Global herbs do say that their supplements may act as a tonic to start with and may worsen symptoms for a short period of time before working as intended.
It happened to mine but after about a week he calmed right down.
 
I was using naf magic and did like it although not sure it was a placebo for me (I.e I got on feeling more confident thinking she would be calm!)

However, the biggest change in her behaviour has come through changing her diet. She was on haylage with hifi molasses free, a balancer and the naf magic

Now her forage is half soaked hay, half plain hay chop in a big tub trug (soaked) as it takes her longer to eat, plus half the hifi she was having and the balancer

She is MUCH more chilled out on this!
 
Also, worth mentioning, with calmers, sometimes it can take upto a month or more to stabilise their system. Some horses do get worse for an initial period -according to three separate manufacturers I talked too
 
Thank u :) Hopefully give it few weeks and he will calm down,his a loan horse as only returned to riding in July so need all the refresher tips i can get.
 
Sometimes it entirely relies on whether the horse is lacking something in his diet, myself and a couple of people on the yard have had great results from horse first relax me, but that just shows we have a magnesium defecit in the grass/soil.
 
As Orion said above they only work if something is deficient and if it isn't you could be causing other interactions/deficiencys. Work out what you are feeding calorie/vit/min wise and make sure its balance then start playing with other stuff.

I like feedxl or NRC calculators its easier than doing a full as fed calculation.
 
Is this the NRC, it is American, but I found it interesting that for example the need for significantly more Mg in light work and strong work.
http://www.equi-analytical.com/PuttingResultsToWork/Nutrient_Requirements/Mature500.htm
Even in light work the diet needs 9gms of magnesium, but this is not the amount we need to supplement, as there is some {?} available in the diet already, not surprisingly then, supplementation is needed when more work is involved, ie up from 9.4gm to 11.3gm stepping up from light to medium work, this means we should be either providing 2gms more of Mg via the hard feed, or supplementing.
 
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loubymiller said:
I feed my boy american equine magnitude and was saying to mum earlier its the only thing that i feel is actually working.
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I had a look at this, it is recommended to be fed at 5gms per day for a 500kg horse, so that is only just over 2gms per day of magnesium, but my calmer [feedmark] is 4gms per scoop and they recommend one or even two scoops per day ie 4 to 8 gms of magnesium.
I looked at Pro Hoof Balance+ and the daily supplement dose [which is supposed to be balanced for average UK forage] is 6gms per day, this is the sort of level I would be happy with for a horse in medium work, or even light work and barefoot.
I am happier to feed a magnesium supplement that is already balanced for calcium, I assume they are balanced and not just added to act as a filler.
 
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I agree with the approach that Dollymix took. Look to the diet, get it balanced and lowered in starch and sugar. With high calcium alfalfa hays, the magnesium becomes deficient in the face of it. Magnesium is the operative word. It has over 300 jobs to do in the body and one of them is for rating the "firing" system. The ratio of calcium to magnesium should be 2:1, no more, no less.
I feed grass hay, got it tested and calcium wasn't high, but magnesium was deficient anyway. I had to supplement as much as the horse could absorb in a day to find the right balance. A magnesium deficiency can show up in as little as 2 weeks and there are no side effects when you find balance in the diet.

What are in these products anyway? What exactly is making them worse before they get better? I find it hard to accept that.
 
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