lillie07
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Can somebody please tell me the best way to treat a sacoid with Camrosa. Is it worth buying the shampoo, ointment and remover? Any help appreciated!!
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KJJ
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Can they also explain the process too...
Does it incrrease in size as it is coming 'out' of the body? or does it shrivel and die?
(Have seen a serious case made 10x worse through Camrosa?!
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Does it incrrease in size as it is coming 'out' of the body? or does it shrivel and die?
(Have seen a serious case made 10x worse through Camrosa?!
Christmas_Kate
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I'd be interested too. Perhaps Tia will know?
lillie07
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Eeeeekkkkkk I just found this
http://www.enlightenedequitation.com/members/forums/index.php?showtopic=2621
If anybody has any success stories as well as instructions I would really like to hear them as everything I have heard other than that has been fantastic!! But dont want to risk it of not..... (especially as its on Baileys face!!)
http://www.enlightenedequitation.com/members/forums/index.php?showtopic=2621
If anybody has any success stories as well as instructions I would really like to hear them as everything I have heard other than that has been fantastic!! But dont want to risk it of not..... (especially as its on Baileys face!!)
Tia
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Below is a piece I wrote on Camrosa on a thread some time ago.
When I have used Camrosa, I don't bother to use the shampoo or cleanser anymore - the ointment has never let me down and has always cleared up any sarcoids. What I have always done is just to smear the Camrosa on every two or three days and leave it, then reapply again. I've used it on many many sarcoids of varying shapes and sizes and it has always got rid of them and they have never returned.
Personally I wouldn't use it on the type which bursts open, although I know they do say it is safe to use it on these types of open sarcoid wounds. I've only used it on the other types where there is no blood. Often the area swells up for 4 or 5 days but you have to keep using it otherwise you won't get anywhere. Most sarcoids are gone within the month, although one of mine had a huge one that look like a testicle and it took a couple of months to get rid of - that was about 3 years ago and it has never returned.
Anyway here was the information I found out:
<font color="blue">"Okay so I contacted Camrosa and asked if they would be kind enough to give me the ingredients in Camrosa - they arrived in the mail today. I have typed the below exactly as it is on the List of ingredients sent from Camrosa.
A calcium soap, made from 12 hydroxy octadecanoic acid (12 hydroxy stearic acid), n-octadecanoic acid (stearic acid) and sodium salts of similar natural acids suspended in hydro treated heavy napthenic distillate.
Calcium Soap made from -
Hydroxy (means compound) Octadecanoic acid (means stearic acid) - a waxy saturated fatty acid; occurs widely as a glyceride in animal and vegetable fats.
N-Octadecanoic acid (a different form of stearic acid) - again a glyceride made from animal and vegetable fats.
Sodium Salts suspended hydro treated heavy napthenic distillate - sodium salts held together by napthenic oils which are a high quality range of non-harmful, unlabelled process oils that possess light consistent colour, excellent low temperature properties, extremely low wax content and high solubility properties. They are then made into a purified liquid produced by condensation from a vapor during distilling.
Interestingly when I ran a search for Napthenic oils - guess what they are often used for?? Veterinary Products!"
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When I have used Camrosa, I don't bother to use the shampoo or cleanser anymore - the ointment has never let me down and has always cleared up any sarcoids. What I have always done is just to smear the Camrosa on every two or three days and leave it, then reapply again. I've used it on many many sarcoids of varying shapes and sizes and it has always got rid of them and they have never returned.
Personally I wouldn't use it on the type which bursts open, although I know they do say it is safe to use it on these types of open sarcoid wounds. I've only used it on the other types where there is no blood. Often the area swells up for 4 or 5 days but you have to keep using it otherwise you won't get anywhere. Most sarcoids are gone within the month, although one of mine had a huge one that look like a testicle and it took a couple of months to get rid of - that was about 3 years ago and it has never returned.
Anyway here was the information I found out:
<font color="blue">"Okay so I contacted Camrosa and asked if they would be kind enough to give me the ingredients in Camrosa - they arrived in the mail today. I have typed the below exactly as it is on the List of ingredients sent from Camrosa.
A calcium soap, made from 12 hydroxy octadecanoic acid (12 hydroxy stearic acid), n-octadecanoic acid (stearic acid) and sodium salts of similar natural acids suspended in hydro treated heavy napthenic distillate.
Calcium Soap made from -
Hydroxy (means compound) Octadecanoic acid (means stearic acid) - a waxy saturated fatty acid; occurs widely as a glyceride in animal and vegetable fats.
N-Octadecanoic acid (a different form of stearic acid) - again a glyceride made from animal and vegetable fats.
Sodium Salts suspended hydro treated heavy napthenic distillate - sodium salts held together by napthenic oils which are a high quality range of non-harmful, unlabelled process oils that possess light consistent colour, excellent low temperature properties, extremely low wax content and high solubility properties. They are then made into a purified liquid produced by condensation from a vapor during distilling.
Interestingly when I ran a search for Napthenic oils - guess what they are often used for?? Veterinary Products!"
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foraday
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Camrosa can either work or it will make your horse 50x worse!!!
Talk with your vet first and see how many cases have actually worked using the stuff.
Would never ever use it!
Talk with your vet first and see how many cases have actually worked using the stuff.
Would never ever use it!
Tia
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You will find tonnes and tonnes of threads like this on Internet Forum......they ALL have one thing in common......most of these people have NEVER used Camrosa! Make of that what you will. And as for Dr. Knickersinatwist.....don't you think the bad press that he personally gives Camrosa could possibly be a marketing ploy??
I don't know anyone who has used this ointment correctly who has been disappointed by it.
I don't know anyone who has used this ointment correctly who has been disappointed by it.
Tia
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Have you ever used it? Or are you just one of those scaremongerers?
10 years I have used it for - never ever have I seen anything like what you and your ilk are going on about.
10 years I have used it for - never ever have I seen anything like what you and your ilk are going on about.
miamibear
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I ahve used it tia on some well old scars with no hair on and it seems to have helped the hair grow back a little. Will have a good look around them tonight.
Also used it on some proud flesh from a cut and it cleared up no problem, totally normal now.
I got the full kit, shampoo, remover etc and have only used the ointment, very cost effective though, you dont need much!!
Also used it on some proud flesh from a cut and it cleared up no problem, totally normal now.
I got the full kit, shampoo, remover etc and have only used the ointment, very cost effective though, you dont need much!!
Tia
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Yes I found it absolutely fantastic for proud flesh! Someone on here used it for their horse who had horrific rain scald - the improvements were quite amazing!!
miamibear
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I rang the camrosa people and they said dont expect the hair to grow back but you can try, well i think it has a bit, so it must be good stuff!!
Tia
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The proud flesh that I dealt with was a few years old so it was leathery and black. I honestly didn't expect the Camrosa to do anything to it......doubting Thomas me!
The wrinkly funny knobby bits fell off the horse within a matter of days, the leather became soft, supple and smooth and it was about a month (memory isn't what it used to be) before the hair started to grow back......eventually the hair completely covered where the proud flesh scars were and the owner was just blown away! So was I mind you. I wish I had taken pictures as it really was so remarkable - when I finished with the Camrosa you would NEVER have known that there had previously been such horrific scarring.
*edited to say* And the most remarkable thing was that the hair grew back BLACK!! I totally expected it to be white.
The wrinkly funny knobby bits fell off the horse within a matter of days, the leather became soft, supple and smooth and it was about a month (memory isn't what it used to be) before the hair started to grow back......eventually the hair completely covered where the proud flesh scars were and the owner was just blown away! So was I mind you. I wish I had taken pictures as it really was so remarkable - when I finished with the Camrosa you would NEVER have known that there had previously been such horrific scarring.
*edited to say* And the most remarkable thing was that the hair grew back BLACK!! I totally expected it to be white.
fairhill
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And as for Dr. Knickersinatwist.....don't you think the bad press that he personally gives Camrosa could possibly be a marketing ploy??
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That's a bit harsh
I mentioned Dr Knickers on the other thread, regarding sarcoids and their unknown quality, and the use of tea tree oil and aloe vera with sarcoids. At no point was he linked with camrosa
I think it's great that you've had a good experience with camrosa, I wanted to use it a while ago on proud flesh, but gave up when they refused to disclose all of their ingredients. Ended up having a similar result to yourself, but used aloe vera
And as for Dr. Knickersinatwist.....don't you think the bad press that he personally gives Camrosa could possibly be a marketing ploy??
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That's a bit harsh
I mentioned Dr Knickers on the other thread, regarding sarcoids and their unknown quality, and the use of tea tree oil and aloe vera with sarcoids. At no point was he linked with camrosa
I think it's great that you've had a good experience with camrosa, I wanted to use it a while ago on proud flesh, but gave up when they refused to disclose all of their ingredients. Ended up having a similar result to yourself, but used aloe vera
Tia
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I don't think I suggested he was linked to Camrosa.......but he does like to spout out awful things about it and has banded loads of papers against it over the years - they are too much competition for him methinks, LOL!!
I am not suggesting that Camrosa is the only ointment which can make a difference........and I'm not saying that I would never use Aloe Vera......I am suggesting that people stick to giving information that they have personal experience with, rather than guessing whether a product is effective or not.
I am not suggesting that Camrosa is the only ointment which can make a difference........and I'm not saying that I would never use Aloe Vera......I am suggesting that people stick to giving information that they have personal experience with, rather than guessing whether a product is effective or not.
Tia
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And no I don't think it is harsh - I've read what Dr Knickers has written over the years and personally if I owned Camrosa I would be sueing his ass off!
fairhill
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I'd be interested to read some of those papers - do you have links to any of them? I've tried google, but just get threads like this one.
Tia
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They are probably off the Internet now, but maybe not, - he did kick up a huge stink about Camrosa years ago and there were lots of transcripts of what he had said at "talks". I'm sure if you search enough you will be able to find something.....I was impressed at how much I found when searching him out.
k9h
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I used it 5 yrs ago on a horse that had mudfever. I did the whole shampoo then ointment & then the removing clenser religiously. It was a chesnut gelding with four white stockings. Well his legs just blew up & the mudfever spread from 2 legs onto all his legs all the way up & across the bottom of his belly all over it. He had a serious allergic reaction to it with massive awelling. But the owners had used it the previous winter with no probs. I had to take him to my vets who was gobbsmacked by how he had reacted they kept him in & made up some special cream for me to use on him when he cam home. It took a month to get him back to normal.
So I personally will never touch the stuff again but I will also say that it has worked for a numerous amount of people.
It's the same with most things some work for some whilst it wont work on others.
So I personally will never touch the stuff again but I will also say that it has worked for a numerous amount of people.
It's the same with most things some work for some whilst it wont work on others.
Tia
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Yes you're right - what works for some horses doesn't necessarily work for others. There is also the issue that a lot of people don't follow the instructions properly. There is alway swelling with Camrosa, or at least there always has been when I've used it.
Odd that it had worked on the horse the previous year though.
Odd that it had worked on the horse the previous year though.
k9h
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His legs really blew up almost like elephant legs? I know I followed the instructions to the letter as well! As you say strange how he didnt react last time he'd used it. Suppose its like people getting allergies later on in life or maybe his immune system was down at the time?? Who knows but once bitten twice shy!
rema
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Tia can i ask you a question pleeaasseeee as it seems you are the sarcoid guru.what are the first signs of a sarcoid.I have a grey and i am paranoid about him getting them.Can you tell me what to look for!!.Thanking you muchly!.
rema
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Sorry Tia i have just seen the sarcoid post!!.
k9h
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Personally for a sarcoid I would use thuja tincture if it is not of the variaty that are broken & sore (if that makes sense) If the are then I would use a cream to put on which has thuja in but in potency rather than actual form with Papilloma nos, Causticum, Nit acid, Calc carb & Broad bean. Also use this in liquid form to give internally as well to fight from the inside & boost the immune system. This I have found to work on alot of horses. Takes time depending on how long the horse has add the sarcoid friend horse just starting with one & it was gone within 2 weeks others with alot more took 6mnth to shift them & so far havent come back.
Tia
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Here you go my dear
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Greys are more prone to melanoma's which aren't really the same as sarcoids.
http://www.equiworld.net/uk/horsecare/veterinary/sarcoids/
Greys are more prone to melanoma's which aren't really the same as sarcoids.
http://www.equiworld.net/uk/horsecare/veterinary/sarcoids/
Tia
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Yes I have heard lots of good reports about Thuja Cream too, although I have never used it for my guys.
k9h
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The thuja is fine so long as the sarcoid isn't cracked/sore or bleeding then it seems just to annoy the hell out of it. But you can still give thuja internally & it will help.
Toby_Zaphod
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A friend of mine had a grey with sarcoids on his chest. She treated it with Camrosa & it sorted the problem out. She applied it not just to the sarcoid but also to the area about 3" radius of the sarcoid. It took time but it cured the sarcoids. There is some slight scaring but it's cleared. I've not used it but on the testom ony of my friend I would certainly give it a go.
sunny123
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I have 2 horses with sarcoids, so this thread had really interested me. Both have completly different types of sarcoid, does Camrosa work with all types? Also, the vet has reccomended this special cream from Liverpool Uni made by some specialist guy(cant remember the name) but it can only be administered by a vet because it is so toxic, it also costs about £400 for the whole treatment over a few sessions. Has anyone had any experience with this??? Do you recommend that i try the camrosa ointment first, as that sounds amazing, although i must say that some of the things that have been said sound quite horrific and i dont want to make it worse. Thanks very much. Sorry for the major hijack!
Tia
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You are talking about Liverpool Cream devised by Dr Knickersinatwist. His cream is in direct competition with Camrosa.
I haven't read anything horrific about Camrosa on here?? Did I miss something?
I haven't read anything horrific about Camrosa on here?? Did I miss something?
sunny123
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oh right, sorry i hadnt worked that out, der!
If you click on that link posted earlier it says quite alot of bad stuff about camrosa, i guess horrific was exagerating just abit! Having never used the cream before, i just wanted to know abit more about it before putting it on my beasties, will go and do some more research and talk to the vet. Roughly how much does it cost?
If you click on that link posted earlier it says quite alot of bad stuff about camrosa, i guess horrific was exagerating just abit! Having never used the cream before, i just wanted to know abit more about it before putting it on my beasties, will go and do some more research and talk to the vet. Roughly how much does it cost?