xxMozlarxx
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Just what the title says really. The physio said this about my horse..... he was ultimately diagnosed with something else. 
Can a horse put its pelvis out??
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Wolfie
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They can knock the illiac crest off, that happens quite often.
xxMozlarxx
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That would usually be caused by an inflamed or torn ligament, (one side being higher) just wonder how the aggressive movement I saw the chiro do would sort that? In my view it would make it worse?
Munchkin
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Was it a physio, or chiro?
It was probably HVT manipulation, to re-align the pelvis with the spine. Yes, horses can 'put it out', as can we.
I'd be concerned if a qualified chiro couldn't tell whether the pelvis was aligned or not, since that is their specialty! A physio, however, wouldn't surprise me - I haven't much faith in them with these matters.
It was probably HVT manipulation, to re-align the pelvis with the spine. Yes, horses can 'put it out', as can we.
I'd be concerned if a qualified chiro couldn't tell whether the pelvis was aligned or not, since that is their specialty! A physio, however, wouldn't surprise me - I haven't much faith in them with these matters.
Bedlam
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Not sure - depends what is meant by that I suppose.
What I do know is that it is not possible to 'put a pelvis back in' as a lot of back people seem to claim to be able to do. It would take an enormoue amount of force to be able to do that, and I just don't think it's possible to do.
I'm sure a physio can help relax and re-educate muscle - but not manipulate a horse's pelvis back into place.............?
What I do know is that it is not possible to 'put a pelvis back in' as a lot of back people seem to claim to be able to do. It would take an enormoue amount of force to be able to do that, and I just don't think it's possible to do.
I'm sure a physio can help relax and re-educate muscle - but not manipulate a horse's pelvis back into place.............?
Roasted Chestnuts
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Kia did BUT he didn end up hanging himself in the trailer (was also twisted sideways and thats what did the pelvis) and doing a fair bit of other damage at the same time. vet diagnosed and chiro/osteo was called to fix
Munchkin
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Bedlam - it can be manipulated back (depending on what caused the issue in the first place, but it is physically possible) however the muscles and ligaments then need to be 're-educated' to accommodate the new alignment. It may therefore need to be done more than once, as the SIJ may slip without the correct muscle structure.
Doesn't sound like that is relevant to the OP's horse, though
Doesn't sound like that is relevant to the OP's horse, though
Queenbee
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however, surely if someone is needed to re-educate the muscle to ensure that the pelvis is 'sitting correctly in line' then the pelvis mist be out to some degree in the first place, thus it was 'out' . I had a woman come out and she tweaked and did all kinds on non forcefull crap, but my mare who had been a death eating rodeo for 3 months turned into a lamb to ride, she didn't use force and she stated that the pelvis was out, no one will tell me that she didn't fix it, especially since i watched what she did and didn't believe for a minute that it would fix my mare, but it did.
A pelvis can be out by a fraction of a mm, it does not always need great force to realign it, muscular manipulation is all it takes sometimes but this does not mean the pelvis was not out, if it wasn't out... why the need to realign the muscles that hold it in place???
xxMozlarxx
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Sorry it was a chiro not physio. We cant technically put our pelvis out actually, its impossible, a shoulder yes can be dislocated but not the pelvis which is a solid structure.
My husband has the crest issues which is inflamed ligaments which visibly tilt his pelvis and they need rest and time with gentle exercise so what exactly is it that is meant to be 'out' in horses??
mja
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Our TB exracer raked in the field and slipped falling hurting pelvis recently. He was in bad way poor soul putting left pelvis out. He needed total boxrest for 6 weeks and he had twice a day laser treatment for 2 weeks plus several physio sessions. The laser broke up the conjealed blood in the bruised muscle making his injury heal quicker.
He is now turn out again and coming back into work hacking and seems fine big eejit xx
He is now turn out again and coming back into work hacking and seems fine big eejit xx
hairycob
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A horse can have asymetric muscle development in it's bum for a number of reasons that may or may not be to do with the horses back or pelvis. You need to understand the cause of a problem before you can treat it properly. I know horses whose owners have been told there horses pelvis is "out" & had manipulation treatment when all the time the problem has been a tendon/ligament injury that has progressively got worse until, when they finally got the Vet out, they were told it was now incurable. I also recently heard of a horse that was back & forth for lameness work ups, x rays etc for intermittent lameness. When Vet insisted on seeing horse ridden by owner rather than her friend (owner preferred to be on ground talking to Vet) the problem was actually that the rider needed a chiro. This owner had also been given the "pelvis is out, I need to manipulate" talk by back person. The manipulation usually relieves the immediate discomfortand & can often be a vital part of treatment, but if it was caused by a problem that is still there it will come back - a good chiro/physio will say that, far too many don't.
I bought a youngster who had not been trained to stand at a mounting block, many thought he must have a back issue as he was getting worse. My Vet suggested I would be better spending my money on a professional trainer. He was right - I was anticipating him misbehaing & he was picking up on my nerves. Getting a neutral party to get on a few times & give me some tips boosted my confidence & although he is still work in progress (it's still his default naughty behaviour) he is miles better. I bet if I'd had back person rather than Vet out it would have taken me longer to sort out what was really wrong.
I bought a youngster who had not been trained to stand at a mounting block, many thought he must have a back issue as he was getting worse. My Vet suggested I would be better spending my money on a professional trainer. He was right - I was anticipating him misbehaing & he was picking up on my nerves. Getting a neutral party to get on a few times & give me some tips boosted my confidence & although he is still work in progress (it's still his default naughty behaviour) he is miles better. I bet if I'd had back person rather than Vet out it would have taken me longer to sort out what was really wrong.
xxMozlarxx
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I so agree Hairycob, it concerns me that with al the potential inflammation or swelling to ligaments muscles etc in that area, that anyone would yank it about. It feels like quackery!
Bowen4Horses
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QR so sorry if this has already been said...
i think the problem is that chiros tend to use the term 'out'... when they say the pelvis is 'out' it sounds like they are saying it has unattached itself somewhere. it makes you think the hip is a ball joint and the ball has popped out... however, what they really mean is 'out of alignment' (which doesn't sound as dramatic), which is caused by muscles/ligaments holding things in place in the wrong way. fairly simple to think of, when you think that a tense muscle is a short muscle, and all those big bones in the pelvis are held together/surrounded by big muscles and ligaments... a bit more tightness on one side can pull the pelvis 'out of alignment'...
i think the problem is that chiros tend to use the term 'out'... when they say the pelvis is 'out' it sounds like they are saying it has unattached itself somewhere. it makes you think the hip is a ball joint and the ball has popped out... however, what they really mean is 'out of alignment' (which doesn't sound as dramatic), which is caused by muscles/ligaments holding things in place in the wrong way. fairly simple to think of, when you think that a tense muscle is a short muscle, and all those big bones in the pelvis are held together/surrounded by big muscles and ligaments... a bit more tightness on one side can pull the pelvis 'out of alignment'...
benson21
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Benson used to 'pop his pelvis' as the osteopath called it, I could tell when he done it by watching him walk away from me, and one side would drop much more than the other, and also if you rode him like it it would be like he was wrapping himself around your leg.
Equine osteopath would come and do some manipulation, and putting his leg in different positions and we would be sorted for a while.
Equine osteopath would come and do some manipulation, and putting his leg in different positions and we would be sorted for a while.
only_me
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Actually a physio's main role is to make sure everything is in alignment!
Sorry, but a physio deals with muscles that can alter alignment - eg. Say you had a sore back, particularly on the left side. Therefore the muscle would be tight & would in effect lift the left hip up = body is out of alignment.
Same idea applies to horses.
A horse's hip can be out - of alignment with the rest of the body! Usually caused by muscle problems surrounding the area or can even come from a sore shoulder.
ETS - you cannot dislocate your pelvis, but you can dislocate your hip!
Sorry, but a physio deals with muscles that can alter alignment - eg. Say you had a sore back, particularly on the left side. Therefore the muscle would be tight & would in effect lift the left hip up = body is out of alignment.
Same idea applies to horses.
A horse's hip can be out - of alignment with the rest of the body! Usually caused by muscle problems surrounding the area or can even come from a sore shoulder.
ETS - you cannot dislocate your pelvis, but you can dislocate your hip!