stormox
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Sounds absolutely ridiculous!!
Can the seller of a horse refuse to allow owner to move horse to a new yard for a period
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Surbie
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It sounds really, really dodgy - a young horse already on a replacement passport with no history, that hasn't been vaccinated but is at a riding school and presumably has been working as a riding school horse for 4 years (so assuming 7/8 yo), and whose owners are disouraging vetting and trying to dictate where it's to be kept after the sale.
I would run a mile. There are so many things they could be trying to hide.
But if she wants it, as others have said, I would insist on an independent 5-stage vetting, take bloods, restart vaccs as precursor to being sold, refuse to sign any livery agreement and be prepared to walk away when they say no and want to scam someone else.
I would run a mile. There are so many things they could be trying to hide.
But if she wants it, as others have said, I would insist on an independent 5-stage vetting, take bloods, restart vaccs as precursor to being sold, refuse to sign any livery agreement and be prepared to walk away when they say no and want to scam someone else.
SheriffTruman
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Please let her read this thread. Maybe the H&H Brigade of wise horsewomen, and men can convince her not to do it (or, only on her own terms, meaning she has full ownership, and can take the horse to whichever yard she pleases. Also, with thorough vetting. But better: not to buy this horse at this place.)
maya2008
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No no no no no! Run for the hills, at all speed, leaving no contact details behind!
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite
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Two words for your friend: "walk away".
It doesn't take a Legal to know that once you have purchased something then from that time onwards you can do what the heck you like with it!
This yard are control freaks; worse, when you look at the £££ they are actually taking her for a song tbh.
It doesn't take a Legal to know that once you have purchased something then from that time onwards you can do what the heck you like with it!
This yard are control freaks; worse, when you look at the £££ they are actually taking her for a song tbh.
Melody Grey
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but shouldn’t riding school horses be vaccinated and correctly microchipped and passported to conform with their licensing?
Goldenstar
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Yes but the horse may have come into the business since the last inspection.
OP your friend needs to be clear I am offering to buy the horse for X the sale to take place on Y .
Nothing else should form part of the contract she should state this in writing and if they don’t accept this she should move on immediately.
HorsesRule2009
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But I believe they would need a licencing vet out to vet the horse before being able to use in the riding shool.
That's definitely how it's worked near me
DirectorFury
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More red flags than a communist party parade. Your friend would be really daft to buy this horse or continue with the arrangement any longer, hopefully she takes the advice she’s been given and finds a different horse (away from these nutters).
TheOldTrout
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Please dissuade your friend from going ahead with this! The sellers sound like nightmares.
Sealine
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I haven’t read the whole thread but sounds like your friend should walk away.
Having said that I did buy a horse on the condition I kept it at the sellers livery yard. I knew the horse very well (I’d broken her and was the only person who’d ever ridden her). I was desperate to buy her so I agreed and signed an agreement. A couple of months later I went out for a hack and didn’t come back. I did go and tell them I’d left and where I’d gone but no more was said as they knew they didn’t have a leg to stand on.
Having said that I did buy a horse on the condition I kept it at the sellers livery yard. I knew the horse very well (I’d broken her and was the only person who’d ever ridden her). I was desperate to buy her so I agreed and signed an agreement. A couple of months later I went out for a hack and didn’t come back. I did go and tell them I’d left and where I’d gone but no more was said as they knew they didn’t have a leg to stand on.
Old school
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Maybe they don’t want her to own the horse and are putting up barriers rather than have a confrontation saying the horse is not being sold to her.... Two sides, at least, to every story.
Above the snowline
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Perhaps the yard are not the legal owners of the horse
Glitter's fun
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Maybe that's why they need it to be "in different ownership" while still using it ?
HorsesRule2009
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It would still need vetting I believe by a licensing vet whether owned privately or not if it is to be used in the school.
This will also implicate insurance I would think if not vetted for use.
This will also implicate insurance I would think if not vetted for use.
MissTyc
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Please show this thread to your friend! the response is unanimous! She must not enter into this agreement. She can buy the horse like a normal buyer from a normal buyer, so she can find another that "speaks to her" but please help her see that this is not the way to enjoy her first summer with her first horse.
toppedoff
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Wouldn't take it unfortunately.. but.. please send your friend here to read this, this forum can also help your friend find a horse - they are very good at it
Cheetchy
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Hey, so my friend is proceeding with buying the horse but she is writing everything down and will wait till she owns before she then deals with whether to move him etc. The horse isn't used in the riding school they have a group of riding school ponies then they also buy school and sell horses on top of that. My friend is going to push for vetting though and has really put her foot down, hopefully if all goes well, the vetting will go well, she's going to get dentist and vaccinations started etc and will make sure she gets her requests also in the agreement they're going to make her sign. She plans to complain every time something isn't just right in the hope they might actually ask her to leave
Bob notacob
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The sale of goods act means that a private buyer can dump the horse back on a trade vendor without even a reason. I think this scenario is not as daft as it seems. Who wants a horse back after a potentially inexperienced new owner has wrecked it.How often do we hear he didn't behave like this when I bought him, I bet they drugged him". No the fact is you Moved him from his happy home and friends and didn't understand his needs. Keep him long enough for a newby owner to come up to speed sound a smart idea.//////////// Oh yes and edited to add that yes you could move the horse immediately but you would blow out of the water any rights you had under the sale of goods act!.
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AmyMay
Situation normal
Honestly, just madness.
shanti
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Thats crazy. I hope it all works out for her, but I would put money on the whole thing being a complete nightmare.
SantaVera
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The whole thing suggests to me that the horse has had a serious medical issue maybe something like ligament or tendon damage and that it is on Bute. Scenario could go something like this, person buys horse with no vetting,yard owners keep it at livery and medicate it without knowledgeable of new owner, after a few months they stop medicating it or new owner moves it elsewhere,it then becomes lame and unrideable and possibly needs to be PTS old owners say it's nothing to do with them so new owner looses money and horse and has a lot of heartbreak as she's now loving the horse too and has to pay for PTS and disposal.
Barton Bounty
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How old is the friend purchasing the horse? It is sounding more nonsensical as you go along.
little_critter
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I feel it’s very foolish to get involved in this. She’s just setting herself up for hassle and heartache.
All I’d say is make sure you get a very clear, signed receipt when the money is handed over so you at least have something to wave at the police when the YO refuses to let you remove your horse from their yard. (Which I’d put money on happening)
All I’d say is make sure you get a very clear, signed receipt when the money is handed over so you at least have something to wave at the police when the YO refuses to let you remove your horse from their yard. (Which I’d put money on happening)
Above the snowline
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If you don’t believe that everyone who has replied is truly trying to help would you consider asking the advice of an equine lawyer, riding instructor, vet, BHS. Most people on this forum will have had a bad experience and done something they later regretted. You MUST have the horse thoroughly vetted by an independent vet. Why isn’t the horse used in the riding school? Has your friend hacked it alone and in company, cantered in open fields, ridden alone in traffic. Does the horse travel well? If not that could be a reason why they want it to stay with them. Demand to see it loaded and taken for a short trip. Make a list of all the questions to ask and hire a professional to advise you.
Perhaps it can’t be removed because it doesn’t travel.
Above the snowline
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and a huge vet bill
Trouper
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The consensus of advice on here seems to be walk away or buy the horse after a successful, independent vetting and move it immediately. She seems to be falling into the crevasse between those two options which will make it the most difficult situation to manage for an inexperienced owner up against the very forceful approach of the yard owners. She will have my respect if she can pull it off.
Katieg123
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Ok wow just read this thread for the first time... few things
- Red flags everywhere but if your friend is absolutely set on it I wish her luck and she can always look for further advice here on this forum
- Make sure to get a good equine vet or dentist to check his age - There's a strong correlation of ancient horses being sold as young ones on new passports
- I would trailer him to an excellent clinic to get vetted. You'll get a feeling for how he loads/travels/deals with new scenarios and the vets will be able to be open and honest with you without the owners breathing down your neck.
- Let us know how it goes!
paddy555
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I'm sure you are correct. Very sadly we can look forward to another thread in a few weeks time where it has all gone wrong.
There are so many potential problems buying any horse, even the ones where they let you take them home straightaway, why add to the problems.
You don't "push for a vetting" you demand one and in this case you get the blood tested. Genuine sellers don't refuse a vetting. Verify his age and verify what has happened to him preferably all his life, his passport and that the vendor does actually own him and have the right to sell him.
So many innocent people have been sold problem horses deliberately where the problems have been cleverly disguised why does this friend think it is going to be any different to her.
I would suggest she at least gets BHS membership before buying then she will be able to get legal advice. Also possibly make sure there is legal cover on her household insurance. Solicitor's fees are another expense to add to the list.
SEL
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I haven't commented on this - others have said everything - but I did at one point in my life ride for a dealer / RS owner / whatever she was on the day and this is absolutely a scenario she would have played.
Back then I was a young, competent and brave rider and many a time I was told to give a pony a hard workout in the morning for it to be polished up for a prospective buyer later that day. Bute was given to anything / everything. If a pony wasn't used in the RS then it was usually "quirky". Many of the ponies sold stayed on livery so she could help the owners - that often meant me doing 30 mins of cantering when they weren't there so the parents didn't know how "quirky" their new pony was
I left after one too many falls and the dealer is long gone, but I did an eye roll when I first read this thread. Good luck to your friend and please, please get bloods taken at the vetting. I've got land to keep my broken ones but that doesn't stop the bills and heartache
Back then I was a young, competent and brave rider and many a time I was told to give a pony a hard workout in the morning for it to be polished up for a prospective buyer later that day. Bute was given to anything / everything. If a pony wasn't used in the RS then it was usually "quirky". Many of the ponies sold stayed on livery so she could help the owners - that often meant me doing 30 mins of cantering when they weren't there so the parents didn't know how "quirky" their new pony was
I left after one too many falls and the dealer is long gone, but I did an eye roll when I first read this thread. Good luck to your friend and please, please get bloods taken at the vetting. I've got land to keep my broken ones but that doesn't stop the bills and heartache