BroadfordQueen
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can you call a horse snaffle mouthed if it goes in a wilkie snaffle? As it is a type of snaffle but it isnt dressage legal and has more of gag action?
can you call a horse "snaffle mouthed"...
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jumpthemoon
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Although it is technically correct to say it is snaffle mouthed, I think most people would expect a snaffle mouthed horse to be ridden in a loose ring or eggbutt or similar. I would feel a bit misled if I turned up to look at a snaffle mouthed horse that is only controllable in a wilkie or a dutch gag (continental snaffle)
jesterfaerie
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I probably would but I would also mention what bit they are ridden in (if you are meaning Harry - to ensure no-one goes and puts a normal snaffle in and expects him to be ok in that). If you get me.
Santa_Claus
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I would say no as snaffle mouthed to me means can do dressage, and you can't do dressage in a wilkie!
rara007
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I don't think so, although you could put 'not strong' if you wanted something to a simalar effect. If i turned up to a 'snaffle mouthed' horse and it was in a wilkie I think i would find it abit strange...
Kat1e
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Since when is a dutch gag a snaffle?!
vicm2509
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Since when is a dutch gag a snaffle?!
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A dutch gag is also called a Continental Snaffle, but it is not a true snaffle as it is really classed as a gag.
I would also expect to see a 'snaffle mouthed' horse in a loose ring or eggbut snaffle. Or any other dressage legal bit.
I would say Baron is snaffle mouthed, you can do anything in a snaffle (well I use loose ring french link) but I sometimes ride him in a dutch gag to make him a little more responsive when SJ, but I would happily ride it in a snaffle.
Since when is a dutch gag a snaffle?!
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A dutch gag is also called a Continental Snaffle, but it is not a true snaffle as it is really classed as a gag.
I would also expect to see a 'snaffle mouthed' horse in a loose ring or eggbut snaffle. Or any other dressage legal bit.
I would say Baron is snaffle mouthed, you can do anything in a snaffle (well I use loose ring french link) but I sometimes ride him in a dutch gag to make him a little more responsive when SJ, but I would happily ride it in a snaffle.
grandmaweloveyou
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ok talking of BITS - what size do you think for an irish cob? 5.5 big enough? wanna order online but not sure without checking at yard first........"excuse me boss can i leave please to go and measure my boys bits?"...imagine the reaction!
Tia
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You can.....but you would be frowned upon. Snaffle-mouthed generally implies eggbutt or loose ring. Technically a dutch gag is a snaffle but I would not class it as snaffle-mouthed.
brighteyes
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What about a cherry-roller, Cornish, Waterford or a Magenis?
No, I'd definitely expect to see a 'mild mouthpiece' version of the snaffle family............
No, I'd definitely expect to see a 'mild mouthpiece' version of the snaffle family............
TarrSteps
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Dutch gags etc. can have a "snaffle mouthpiece" but they aren't snaffles because by definition snaffles don't have a leverage component. It would be like saying a pelham with a broken mouthpiece is a snaffle.
Anyway, your question is about the use of the phrase not necessarily a literal interpretation. It commonly means a horse that can do whatever it needs to do in a relatively mild non-leverage bit with an ordinary (not the Incredible Hulk) rider on it. So if your horse needs something stronger to do whatever you're selling him as then it's not really an honest thing to say. If this is for an ad just don't bring it up - you can always tell people when you're actually speaking to them. (Just don't market him as a dressage horse - I hate it when people do that and then present the horse in something that's not dressage legal and admit that it's too strong to ride in a regular snaffle anymore.)
Anyway, your question is about the use of the phrase not necessarily a literal interpretation. It commonly means a horse that can do whatever it needs to do in a relatively mild non-leverage bit with an ordinary (not the Incredible Hulk) rider on it. So if your horse needs something stronger to do whatever you're selling him as then it's not really an honest thing to say. If this is for an ad just don't bring it up - you can always tell people when you're actually speaking to them. (Just don't market him as a dressage horse - I hate it when people do that and then present the horse in something that's not dressage legal and admit that it's too strong to ride in a regular snaffle anymore.)