Scampi
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... for my new horse please? Thanks
Can you tell me what wormer to use...
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Vikki89
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I always use equest and equest paramox depending on the time of year
Pixxie
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we've just wormed on equest pramox at our yard and previous to that equest and previous to that equimax.
but for this time of year i would say equest pramox
but for this time of year i would say equest pramox
Hoofprints in the Snow
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For a new horse i would use panacur 5 day guard.
spaniel
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Just to add to your confusion....Equimax.
jelibean
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I was told not to use pramox on anything with unknown worming history as if it was a worm burden, clearing it out too fast can cause major complications. Equest, equimax are suitable for this time of year, this is a useful link http://www.wormers-direct.co.uk/calendar.html
ester
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new horse with unknown worming history needs worming for everything including encysted redworm and tape worm (please note tapeworm normally treated March/April and/or sept/oct) so not sure why your yard has just done pramox pixxie?
So 2 options:
either Panacur 5 day guard followed on day 6 by a double dose of strongid/panacur (pyrantel) or use equitape (praziquantel from same company as equest) as a single dose
Or Equest pramox will do encysted redworm and tapeworm and anything in between
Equimax will not do encysted redworm so is not the best in this instance.
I would personally use equest pramox in one dose but please speak to your vet if you are still unsure. I think that panacur 5-day is better to use if the horse has a suspected history of worm burden as it does it more steadily rather than all in one go like the moxidectin and is therefore less likely to upset the system
So 2 options:
either Panacur 5 day guard followed on day 6 by a double dose of strongid/panacur (pyrantel) or use equitape (praziquantel from same company as equest) as a single dose
Or Equest pramox will do encysted redworm and tapeworm and anything in between
Equimax will not do encysted redworm so is not the best in this instance.
I would personally use equest pramox in one dose but please speak to your vet if you are still unsure. I think that panacur 5-day is better to use if the horse has a suspected history of worm burden as it does it more steadily rather than all in one go like the moxidectin and is therefore less likely to upset the system
ester
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jelibean we cross posted. It is the moxidectin in the pramox which I believe causes problems in those with burden problems hence equest is just as bad (I have seen this happen) which is why the panacur 5 day still exists, before the advent of moxidectin panacur was the only way to treat for encysted redworms.
As I said before equimax will not account for encysted redworm. This I think might not be an issue at the moment as we treat those in winter prior to spring emergence which should have already occurred but I would think better to cover all bases before starting this horse on a program
As I said before equimax will not account for encysted redworm. This I think might not be an issue at the moment as we treat those in winter prior to spring emergence which should have already occurred but I would think better to cover all bases before starting this horse on a program
Pixxie
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ester i think youve got confused, my yard has just wormed on pramox which you said was one of the options for this time of year
me confused now
we've just wormed using equest pramox, we wormed for tapeworm in march with equimax
we've just wormed using equest pramox, we wormed for tapeworm in march with equimax
ester
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sorry pixxie didn't mean to confuse you! will try and explain
equest pramox does tapeworm (moxidectin +praziquantel) equimax also does tapeworm (ivermectin +praziquantel)
praziquantel does tapeworm in a single dose.
hence you should only need to use equest at this time of year (not the pramox one) if you treated for tapeworm at the best time of year ie march/april as you did.
It is an option for this horse as we don't know its worming history and therefore it may not have had a tapeworm treatment in the spring.
The reason not to use equimax/pramox all year round is because the more we use these drugs we are possibly increasing the chances of resistance to them, not a sig problem in horses in this country yet but has been an issue in mexico I believe and I know of sheep farms that have had to close down due to the presence of multiresistance worms. At the moment there is already resistance to the alternative for praziquantel (pyrantel).
equest pramox does tapeworm (moxidectin +praziquantel) equimax also does tapeworm (ivermectin +praziquantel)
praziquantel does tapeworm in a single dose.
hence you should only need to use equest at this time of year (not the pramox one) if you treated for tapeworm at the best time of year ie march/april as you did.
It is an option for this horse as we don't know its worming history and therefore it may not have had a tapeworm treatment in the spring.
The reason not to use equimax/pramox all year round is because the more we use these drugs we are possibly increasing the chances of resistance to them, not a sig problem in horses in this country yet but has been an issue in mexico I believe and I know of sheep farms that have had to close down due to the presence of multiresistance worms. At the moment there is already resistance to the alternative for praziquantel (pyrantel).
Pixxie
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oh i see, well before i came my yard i wormed on equimax in january i think then equest in march or april then pramox about 3 weeks ago. so its all a bit muddled and out of sync but thats what you get for moving yards i guess and Teddy was wormed on pramox about 3 weeks ago when i got him
ester
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yes see you didn't really need the pramox 3 weeks but if you didn't know the lovely teddys worming history it would have given him a good clear out.
I think in most cases with yard plans the horses are fine on the plans it is more the problems with overuse possibly not helping to stop the development of resistance in the worms.
Thought I might post what I use (I have horses and poo pick so am free to use what I like!):
December- Equest (covers encysted redworm)
March/April- equimax
mid summer (normally only once due to the poo picking)- cheapest ivermectin wormer I can get (such as eqvalan)
sept/oct- equimax or double dose pyratape/strongid.
I like to use equimax for one of my tapeworm doses due to the possible resistance for the drug in pyratape.
I think it has gotten more confusing over the last few years because companies rights over certain drug combos run out after a certain number of years so to start only one company can make but once that runs out lots of companies can make so lots of different brand names for essentially the same thing!
I think in most cases with yard plans the horses are fine on the plans it is more the problems with overuse possibly not helping to stop the development of resistance in the worms.
Thought I might post what I use (I have horses and poo pick so am free to use what I like!):
December- Equest (covers encysted redworm)
March/April- equimax
mid summer (normally only once due to the poo picking)- cheapest ivermectin wormer I can get (such as eqvalan)
sept/oct- equimax or double dose pyratape/strongid.
I like to use equimax for one of my tapeworm doses due to the possible resistance for the drug in pyratape.
I think it has gotten more confusing over the last few years because companies rights over certain drug combos run out after a certain number of years so to start only one company can make but once that runs out lots of companies can make so lots of different brand names for essentially the same thing!
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Donkeymad
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Personally I would recommend Panacur Equne Guard (5 day) followed a week later by Equitape. It's best to leave a gap between the Panacure and Equitape.
kellyeaton
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i would get a blood count for tape worms and a poo count done for the others to see what you are working with first!
ester
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I am a little wary of using a faecal egg count unless as part of long term management as there are so many variables which can affect the count on any given day due to the possible ways that eggs are expelled and how sampling is carried out that a single low result is not actually that helpful and risks being a 'false negative' so to speak. hence, on a new horse a result of <50epg does not necessarily mean the horse has no burden and does not need treatment, over time multiple results like this are far more useful to create an overview of the horses worm stance. If the horse has a high count however you can be sure that it does need treating.
FEC will also not give a measure of encysted redworm infection.
I am all for using FECs as they reduce overuse of anthelmintics but they are better used as part of a program.
FEC will also not give a measure of encysted redworm infection.
I am all for using FECs as they reduce overuse of anthelmintics but they are better used as part of a program.
kellyeaton
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if you dont want to do the counts i would go with an panucar guard then first leave it 6 weeks then go with an equest then with a combi wormer coz then we will be way in to autum!