Cecil had damaged another claw!

[poiuytrewq]

I’m not overly worried about it, the first time I posted here in but of a panic, was told to keep it clean, assured it would be fine etc.
He’s done it a few times since, mostly tearing them out leaving the quick (?)
Most recently yesterday, went for a crazy field sprint, returned with a bloody foot.
This one seems a bit more sore than the others, he’s definitely slowed down this morning!
Q is why? I’ve never had another dog do this even once, forget about fairly often.
His claws look neat and not long.
Is it some kind of deficiency like weak nails in a person maybe?
He must be due jabs soon so will mention it to the vet.
It is always during a mad few minutes it seems to happen.

 

[Sandstone1]

You can get a supplement to strengthen nails.. Can not remember name at mo. Starts with a O..Will look later

 

[Moobli]

Do a search for Lupoid onychodystrophy.

I had never heard of this condition until a friend’s working Kelpie suffered from it and had to be found a pet home as he continually had problems with nails breaking whilst working the pens and yards.

https://veterinarypartner.vin.com/default.aspx?pid=19239&catId=102899&id=9767513

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Do a search for Lupoid onychodystrophy.

I had never heard of this condition until a friend’s working Kelpie suffered from it and had to be found a pet home as he continually had problems with nails breaking whilst working the pens and yards.

https://veterinarypartner.vin.com/default.aspx?pid=19239&catId=102899&id=9767513

This is what my younger collie has. She is permanently on salmon oil and onychotin capsules now. She has now been fine for months since diagnosis except for an infected dew claw recently. Hasn't stopped her working the sheep or doing agility but we don't do a lot of either. Biggest problem I gather can be infected claws so need to keep a watch on them.

 

[Sandstone1]

This is what my younger collie has. She is permanently on salmon oil and onychotin capsules now. She has now been fine for months since diagnosis except for an infected dew claw recently. Hasn't stopped her working the sheep or doing agility but we don't do a lot of either. Biggest problem I gather can be infected claws so need to keep a watch on them.

They are the capsules I have for my dog.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Oh thanks guys! I’ll have a proper look later when I’m not supposed to be working

 

[Marnie]

Are they 'attached'? I had a dog that had ones that weren't attached and they seemed to catch on things a lot more than the dogs I have had where they were attached. They ended up being removed as she couldn't actually use them as such.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Are they 'attached'? I had a dog that had ones that weren't attached and they seemed to catch on things a lot more than the dogs I have had where they were attached. They ended up being removed as she couldn't actually use them as such.

How do you mean they weren’t attached?
I think they are, they look and feel perfectly normal when they are uninjured.

 

[skinnydipper]

How do you mean they weren’t attached?

Some dogs have vestigial dew claws.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Would it be obvious? They all look very normal.
Our lovely local gun dog trainer who knows his stuff had a look earlier. He said he’s fine it’s just pulled and to soak in a bit of salt water use wound powder but he said he’s not be worried.
I didn’t mention it’s a regular thing though.

 

[skinnydipper]

Would it be obvious? They all look very normal.

Yes. They are only attached by skin.

To avoid him catching his nails, you could try cutting them as short as you can without cutting the quick. With dark nails cut off a sliver at a time and stop cutting when you can see a white circle.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Yes. They are only attached by skin.

To avoid him catching his nails, you could try cutting them as short as you can without cutting the quick. With dark nails cut off a sliver at a time and stop cutting when you can see a white circle.

Thank you. They are definitely properly attached then.

Cutting them short sounds a good idea, I’ll do that, when this one is less sore, well I’ll probably get Mr gun dog trainer to do that for me! He’s a handy neighbour to have!

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Thank you. They are definitely properly attached then.

Cutting them short sounds a good idea, I’ll do that, when this one is less sore, well I’ll probably get Mr gun dog trainer to do that for me! He’s a handy neighbour to have!

The vet did this for my dog after the second claw got split. He never picked up on the SLO. The trimming didn't help, she still lost more nails so I went back to the vet and saw the senior vet who confirmed what I had already suspected. He told me what to give her and I do religiously every morning. The vet told me that the nails would grow back but not be as as nice looking as they had been.

 

[poiuytrewq]

The vet did this for my dog after the second claw got split. He never picked up on the SLO. The trimming didn't help, she still lost more nails so I went back to the vet and saw the senior vet who confirmed what I had already suspected. He told me what to give her and I do religiously every morning. The vet told me that the nails would grow back but not be as as nice looking as they had been.

How many of the capsules do you give? I’ve had a look and see you can buy them online and that they are biotin so all makes sense and I figure even if he has no specific issue it should help and certainly won’t do any harm to try.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

How many of the capsules do you give? I’ve had a look and see you can buy them online and that they are biotin so all makes sense and I figure even if he has no specific issue it should help and certainly won’t do any harm to try.

Dose is just one a day and they are tiny. My girl will take it as a treat but I usually just drop it in her food, mind you she is one who eats first and asks what it is after. Salmon oil is also essential. The capsules come in packs of 100 so last ages and I buy 500ml of salmon oil and that last ages too.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Dose is just one a day and they are tiny. My girl will take it as a treat but I usually just drop it in her food, mind you she is one who eats first and asks what it is after. Salmon oil is also essential. The capsules come in packs of 100 so last ages and I buy 500ml of salmon oil and that last ages too.

Ok thanks I’ll have a look. His food is a high content salmon type. Would he still need the salmon oil on top?

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Ok thanks I’ll have a look. His food is a high content salmon type. Would he still need the salmon oil on top?

I don't know but better to be safe, I would still add it.

 

[FinnishLapphund]

If his food is already high on salmon, perhaps try adding the Onychotin capsules first, and if that doesn't seem to be enough, add more salmon oil later?

As I understand it, overdosing a dog on Omega 3/fatty acids can lead to vomitting, diarrhoea, and in some cases blood clotting problems etc.
Here's one example of a page which might help you calculate if Cecil is getting enough Omega 3:

Fish Oil For Dogs | Canine Arthritis Resources and Education

Curious about giving Omega 3 fatty acids to your dog? We've compiled some helpful information to help you calculate the correct dosage for your pooch!

caninearthritis.org

 

[poiuytrewq]

I’ve ordered and already ordered the salmon oil but maybe I’ll just add half what ever the bottle says and see how we get on.

He has today managed to build up quite some speed on his 3 legs!
I’ve not walked him but had them out poo picking and on the yard with me. Yesterday he was too sad to leave me, today he is back to racing round playing which is nice.

I think if he’s still not using it much early next week I’m going to pop him to the vet anyway though to be sure.

 

[poiuytrewq]

If his food is already high on salmon, perhaps try adding the Onychotin capsules first, and if that doesn't seem to be enough, add more salmon oil later?

As I understand it, overdosing a dog on Omega 3/fatty acids can lead to vomitting, diarrhoea, and in some cases blood clotting problems etc.
Here's one example of a page which might help you calculate if Cecil is getting enough Omega 3:

Fish Oil For Dogs | Canine Arthritis Resources and Education

Curious about giving Omega 3 fatty acids to your dog? We've compiled some helpful information to help you calculate the correct dosage for your pooch!

caninearthritis.org

Thanks for that. I can probably from that table work out what he’s safe to have alongside his food so that’s really helpful

 

[Identityincrisis]

I have a lurcher who was forever ripping out claws, the last time he did it he had to be sedated so the vet took his nails super short and I’ve kept on top of them since with a dremel. His nails were long but certainly not ridiculously long, i could never keep on top of them because they grow so fast and they’re solid