Choke Chains OPINIONS

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OK guys... what are you views on Choke Chains?

Do they work to stop pulling?

Should you use one if a half check doesn't work?

Should you try this before you try a halti?

Thankies!!
 
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OK guys... what are you views on Choke Chains?

Do they work to stop pulling?

Should you use one if a half check doesn't work?

Should you try this before you try a halti?

Thankies!!
 
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Get yourslef a halti, and teach the lad to walk to heal.

[/ QUOTE ]It was more a general question really... Finny is excellent on his half check unless he is expected to go through a crowd - which is FAR to exciting!!!

Que Me being towed along by a 6stone puppy!!!
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Get yourslef a halti, and teach the lad to walk to heal.

[/ QUOTE ]You not think it too soon to put one on? iif the choke chain has not been tried?

Is the halti not the last resort? although probably kinder than the choke, but more restricting?!
 
I would rather a check chain than a halit, I'm juts not fond of them though. Beastie never ever wears a collar, only a chain and it is never brought into use and she was taught to walk properly from the beginning. She is happy walking to heel, the chain is loose around her neck.
 
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I would rather a check chain than a halit, I'm juts not fond of them though. Beastie never ever wears a collar, only a chain and it is never brought into use and she was taught to walk properly from the beginning. She is happy walking to heel, the chain is loose around her neck.

[/ QUOTE ]See I'm not sure about the halti either...

Finn was tried in a choke the other night - and was an angel - no need to 'choke' but if he pulled it obv tightened a little more than the half check... I would need to get him a big chain if I wanted to use one... but not sure, I need to get the walk to heal sorted asap.. as he is a big boy already - he's great off the lead... it's just when the 'group' of people are around he pulls to say hi!!!

Again just a 'in the future' question for him!!
 
When you say Halti, do you mean the chest ones or the headcollar typ eones (don't like either) They do have there place for big strong boisterous dogs that just don't get the message to walk nice.

How about one of the half collar/half chain type collars?
 
We have a choke chain on the Mastiff. He came with no manners what so ever and was poorly if anything NOT socialised when he was younger so was a sod to walk. Trying to hold 12 stone of Mastiff lunging for another dog isnt exactly fun. So the only option for us is a choke chain, for safety reasons and treats to divert his attentions. He is now too old and crumbly to go for walks.

ETS Benj has reminded me: We had to Mastiff in a halti face thing AND a choke chain! If he peed around too much then the choke chain only then would come into action
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You say your dog carts you through when excited have you tried distracting him with cheese to get him to focus on you?

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We have stormy in a half check, but used to use a halti. He was very strong, but if they leap around, it wouldn't take much to damage their necks.
When we used to go to training classes, the halti was strongly advised against, for that reason, plus after training he didn't need it anyway.

I don't see a problem with using a half check at all, or even a full check, I know you're not going to throttle him with it
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When you say Halti, do you mean the chest ones or the headcollar typ eones (don't like either) They do have there place for big strong boisterous dogs that just don't get the message to walk nice.

[/ QUOTE ]I mean the one that goes over there nose.. a halti... not a harness that goes over body.
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How about one of the half collar/half chain type collars?

[/ QUOTE ]He has a half check/half chain one at the moment...
 
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We have a choke chain on the Mastiff. He came with no manners what so ever and was poorly if anything NOT socialised when he was younger so was a sod to walk. Trying to hold 12 stone of Mastiff lunging for another dog isnt exactly fun. So the only option for us is a choke chain, for safety reasons and treats to divert his attentions. He is now too old and crumbly to go for walks.

[/ QUOTE ]That is the worry - he is soon going to weigh near on 10stone and then it wil be a REAL issue if it gets worse.
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You say your dog carts you through when excited have you tried distracting him with cheese to get him to focus on you?

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[/ QUOTE ]Yeah good idea.. thanks chick - do you think he will grow out of it? -

I wonder if the issue is because he is competing to get infront of Tinker when out walking?
 
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ETS Benj has reminded me: We had to Mastiff in a halti face thing AND a choke chain! If he peed around too much then the choke chain only then would come into action
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[/ QUOTE ]I don't really want to use the halti if I can help it TBH
 
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We have stormy in a half check, but used to use a halti. He was very strong, but if they leap around, it wouldn't take much to damage their necks.
When we used to go to training classes, the halti was strongly advised against, for that reason, plus after training he didn't need it anyway.

I don't see a problem with using a half check at all, or even a full check, I know you're not going to throttle him with it
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[/ QUOTE ]Thanks chick... no I certainly wouldn't be strangling/throttleing him with it - however it would be a reminder not to pull if he got too strong!!

he learns quick does my boy.
 
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That is the worry - he is soon going to weigh near on 10stone and then it wil be a REAL issue if it gets worse.


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Personally and this is MO you are best to nip it right in the bud now and if it means using a choke chain then let that be it.

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Yeah good idea.. thanks chick - do you think he will grow out of it?

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First you need to go first through any gap that way you are asserting yourself as the Alpha dog. This is what I would do, if he charges off, do a 180 degree and go the other way. That way he doesnt get anywhere fast and will soon learn. He probably is competing with Tinks or it might just be too exciting lol. I think distracting and turning away from where he wants to go might work! Ok youll look like a loon but who cares
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Why dont you go to a dog training claas its good fun for both animal and owner
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[/ QUOTE ]Honestly?! Time &amp; Money... having the horse in winter means I don't get home til gone 7.30pm....

Plus it isn't a huge Issue right now... I shall be trying Anna's Cheese suggestion me thinks...

It's not like he see's crowds very often TBH, so I can understand his excitement!!

90% of the time he was an angel it was just the 10% of pulling that I want to eliminate.
 
As it'll *hopefully* soon be coming into better weather (doesn't feel like it though) you can practise taking him out to like parks etc so he can get used to crowds. (If that is an option!)
 
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Personally and this is MO you are best to nip it right in the bud now and if it means using a choke chain then let that be it.

[/ QUOTE ]See this is what OH and I have been discussing - I'd like to get it stopped now... manners is everything and a big dog with none is a strain!!
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First you need to go first through any gap that way you are asserting yourself as the Alpha dog.

[/ QUOTE ]Again 90% of the time this happens... however it is at a gun club and the walk way is one by one width, so a real squeeze.... I can't tend to mess around with the dog without bumping into someone!
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- I think I shall avoid taking him there until he learns!!!
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This is what I would do, if he charges off, do a 180 degree and go the other way. That way he doesnt get anywhere fast and will soon learn. He probably is competing with Tinks or it might just be too exciting lol.

[/ QUOTE ]Yup I do try and do this, as said it's a narrow place so not that easy - will take him elsewhere to practise!! LOL!!
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I think distracting and turning away from where he wants to go might work! Ok youll look like a loon but who cares
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[/ QUOTE ]Haha better than a loon that is being dragged around by a puppy!!
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As it'll *hopefully* soon be coming into better weather (doesn't feel like it though) you can practise taking him out to like parks etc so he can get used to crowds. (If that is an option!)

[/ QUOTE ]LOL - we go to the park every night... (Even in the dark - although it is deserted!!) however when the 'footie' is on in teh all weather courts... there are people and he tries to pull me to them.. but I can normally distract him!!!

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Halti for me, no question, although I don't dislike choke chains. Unfortunately, Ki does pull quite a bit. It is one thing that I perhaps wasn't as thorough as I could have been whilst training him. We live on a farm so obviously he has a lot of room to run free and although he's not too bad on the lead I'd like him better.

He also has a nice new half-check collar (thanks to your recent thread!!) and that seems to work ok. We are re-tackling lead training at the moment, as most of the time now I have dog on lead and pushchair, Ki has well and truly taken advantage and needs to re-learn some manners!!
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Halti for me, no question, although I don't dislike choke chains.

[/ QUOTE ]Really? Any reason?

I think they look pretty harsh - also make the dog look like it is being 'muzzled' so looks 'naughty/unfriendly' - just my perception!!! LOL!!
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Unfortunately, Ki does pull quite a bit. It is one thing that I perhaps wasn't as thorough as I could have been whilst training him. We live on a farm so obviously he has a lot of room to run free and although he's not too bad on the lead I'd like him better.

[/ QUOTE ]This is the thing I want to nip it in the bud now... being only 23 weeks old is a bonus so I can get him to listen now - and hopefully not pull later!!
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He also has a nice new half-check collar (thanks to your recent thread!!) and that seems to work ok.

[/ QUOTE ]Excellent- see I'm hoping that if I use a full chain now that I could then revert back to half check at a later date when he respects his collar more rather than leans on it!!
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We are re-tackling lead training at the moment, as most of the time now I have dog on lead and pushchair, Ki has well and truly taken advantage and needs to re-learn some manners!!
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[/ QUOTE ]LOL - the things we let our babies get away with!!
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.. they say it's never to late to teach an old dog new tricks so good luck chick. xx
 
have you tried one of those face halter thingys, i have a big dog that pulls on a choker, but she wont pull in the halter (sorry dont know correct name for them)
 
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or alternative is for you to go on a body building work out so you can be super woman then youll be able to hold him
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[/ QUOTE ]I'll be superwomen if he carries on!!
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The reason I prefer the halti is because he can't place his weight against it as he can when being led from a collar (any collar). He is led from the nose and this is the part that you steer and thus the whole body follows. I agree with what you say about them looking like a muzzle though, and have had a few people comment about this. I should have said that he is not in the halti all the time, normally on a slip lead or now he has his new collar I use this. The halti is used for just the situations you describe - new places, crowds, lots of dogs etc and I also pop it back on when I feel he is losing his manners.

Ki has just about grown out of having to say hi to everyone - canine and human. However, one thing a Ridgeback won't grow out of is the ability to track scents, after all it is what they are bred for, and this is when his pulling becomes annoying, on the halti my 8 year old daughter can lead him with ease in most situations.
 
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You not think it too soon to put one on? iif the choke chain has not been tried?

Is the halti not the last resort? although probably kinder than the choke, but more restricting?!

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Well my neighbour has a bull mastif. He wore a halti very early on, and even though he didn't particularly like it soon learnt how it worked.

Again, big strong dog, but really works.
 
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The reason I prefer the halti is because he can't place his weight against it as he can when being led from a collar (any collar). He is led from the nose and this is the part that you steer and thus the whole body follows.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes that is a very good point!!
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I agree with what you say about them looking like a muzzle though, and have had a few people comment about this.

[/ QUOTE ]Yeah, none-dog owners may se eit as a bad thing.
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I should have said that he is not in the halti all the time, normally on a slip lead or now he has his new collar I use this.

[/ QUOTE ]See we have a slip lead - which I have not yet tried - the reason being I wanted to use the CC purely because it makes a sound, I was hoping that the sound will deter him before it actually restricts.... that way I can go back to a half check, which also makes the 'chain' sound when and if need to be pulled.. reminding that he must stay close?!
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The halti is used for just the situations you describe - new places, crowds, lots of dogs etc and I also pop it back on when I feel he is losing his manners.

[/ QUOTE ]Yep - that is when it all becomes too exciting!!!
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Ki has just about grown out of having to say hi to everyone - canine and human.

[/ QUOTE ]Yeah you see Finn doesn't always bother - but in the group/crowd situation he wants to 'get through' rather than say hi!!
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However, one thing a Ridgeback won't grow out of is the ability to track scents, after all it is what they are bred for, and this is when his pulling becomes annoying, on the halti my 8 year old daughter can lead him with ease in most situations.

[/ QUOTE ]Of course... taking away the tracking is not something I want to do, nor could do... it's part of who they are!!

May consider a halti at a later stage - I'm just not sure it's suitable for a 23week old as yet?!

Oh I dunno.. he's not naughty it's just excitment!!
 
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