Cian O Connor for the Olympics!

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Is it just me or does anyone else think it is a bit cheeky that Cian is reserve for the Olympics? I think it is a bit much after what happened last time......
 
I had to look twice with surprise when I saw the headline too...
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Four years on, different horse..has been going well in nations cups all season.
Why not - give the guy a break!!

Fiona
 
nah, as he is one of the best.

anyway - amy tyron is on american olympic team.

people make mistakes, sometimes they need a chance to prove that they just made a mistake.

imo anyway.
 
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Four years on, different horse..has been going well in nations cups all season.
Why not - give the guy a break!!

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I completely agree with you Fiona!
 
Does seem slightly double standards with all the Dwain Chambers controversy though doesn't it.

I mean if an athlete is banned for life surely a rider should be to?
 
He's in the in crowd, that's what I can basically see, I don't think he should be allowed to compete, and hope he doesn't get the chance.
 
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Does seem slightly double standards with all the Dwain Chambers controversy though doesn't it.

I mean if an athlete is banned for life surely a rider should be to?

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Exactly why I was so surprised
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Does seem slightly double standards with all the Dwain Chambers controversy though doesn't it.

I mean if an athlete is banned for life surely a rider should be to?

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Exactly why I was so surprised
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Me too
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I don't think he should be in the team he cheated, goes against all Olympic principles. You can't blame the horse - she didn't feed it to herself.
 
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Does seem slightly double standards with all the Dwain Chambers controversy though doesn't it.

I mean if an athlete is banned for life surely a rider should be to?

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Exactly why I was so surprised
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The ban for life thing is a rule brouht in by the British Oympic Association...it is not an 'Olympic' rule as such...hence why Dwain Chambers took it to court to fight it. If every rider who had ever been up on a doping offence were banned from competing at the OG's there'd be nobody left to compete
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I don't think he should be in the team he cheated, goes against all Olympic principles. You can't blame the horse - she didn't feed it to herself.

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Totally agree but not surprised. CO'C seems to be Teflon as far as any dishonour goes.
 
So Ludger Beerbaum and Bettina Hoy (I know she hasn't been selected though) shouldn't be allowed to ride in the Olympics either, as far as I remember they had positive drugs tests at Athens as well.

With reference to Cian O'Connor - I bet he has been 'randomly' tested at every international show he has been to in the last four years, if he was going to be a repeat offender I think it would have shown up by now.

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The difference between the positive result Cian had compared to those of ludger and bettina couldn't be more striking. In my mind he deliberately used a drug not licenced for use in horses in order to gain advantage and then used criminal methods to prevent due process ("missing" B sample). That is not to say he isn't an extremely talented rider or that his horses aren't superb but I have no respect for him or his methods of training.
 
Fluphenazine was one of the substances, it's very difficult to detect: lots of top competitors have experimented using it for taking the edge off very hot horses.
 
To be honest I think yes same rules should apply for riders as for athletes.

So if you have a positive drugs test at the Olympics you are banned from them for life.

Or lift the for life ban for the athletes.

This one rule for riders and another for athlete's just adds to our sports bad public image.
 
I appreciate what you are saying, but they still had positive drugs tests and the SJ gold medal was lost because of it as I recall.

Therefore if the IOC was going to ban riders from future Olympics, then it would be a larger group of riders than just CO'C.

To my mind - the national federations should perhaps run their own tests on horses and/or riders selected for major championships, so that anyone with a positive result can be removed from the team before travelling.

Does this sound daft, or could it be done??

FIona
 
All horses who compete at international level are available for random testing and winners of big events are generally tested.

The testing of horses before travel to competitions is possible but I don't think it would help the issue, the costs involved in testing are not inconsiderable and the time taken for results to come through would make the tests pointless.

In the case of C O'C the drugs used were, it appears, specifically selected for their short detection times.
 
I hope he never gets to ride at the games again. His conviction couldn't be more different from Bettina Hoys - she was found to have used a cream which contained an obscure and non performance enhancing drug (As far as I was aware). Cian O'Connor was found to have used a drug designed for human use which was performance enhancing. That and the theft of the B Sample and of FEI documents related to the case make his abuse of his horse and the rules an entirely different Kettle of fish!
It's insulting to the other excellent Irish riders who have never abused their animals that way. I don't care that his offence was 4 years ago - it doesn't change what he did IMO
 
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