Colour experts!! What is this?!

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From my Facebook, an online tack shop posted this. I'm amazed! And I want! :p

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its beautiful, i have seen it before on facebook and it has to be the most beautifully marked equine ever. so i shall fight you all for it :p
 
Frame Overo - rather than the Tobiano's that we are used to seeing in the UK. :)

ETA, it's important to identify frames (especially if they have a second coloured/pinto gene that can make them harder to spot) because it is lethal in it's homozygous form.
 
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Faracat said:
Frame Overo - rather than the Tobiano's that we are used to seeing in the UK. :)

ETA, it's important to identify frames (especially if they have a second coloured/pinto gene that can make them harder to spot) because it is lethal in it's homozygous form.
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sorry numpty here (looks like a piebald to me) could you explain please your last paragraph.
 
Piebald just means black and white patches, skewbald everything else and white. Those terms don't differentiate between the different genes that cause the white patches (remember without modifying genes every horse would be either plain chestnut or plain black - no white or dilutions).

One of the coloured/pinto genes (that cause white patches) is called Frame overo. In it's heterozygous form (horse has one copy of the gene) you get a coloured/pinto like the foal in this post. Apron face, white patches on the sides, not the back and dark legs.

If the horse has two copies of the frame overo gene (homozygous) it dies shortly after birth as their colons do not work (they suffer a very painful death unless they are PTS). So you should not breed two horses with the frame overo gene because you have a 25% chance of getting a lethal white foal (homozygous frame overos are white).

Because a horse can have more than one coloured/pinto gene (eg frame overo and sabino) it can be harder to spot/work out which genes the horse has just by looking at it.
 
Yup, there's so much more to colour than just skewbald and piebald! Black frame overdo, my absolutely favourite colour. For those of you who haven't seen one before(and you'd be lucky to in the UK), google "loud frame overdo" and you'll see some awesome horses.
 
eatmyshorts said:
Yup, there's so much more to colour than just skewbald and piebald! Black frame overdo, my absolutely favourite colour. For those of you who haven't seen one before(and you'd be lucky to in the UK), google "loud frame overdo" and you'll see some awesome horses.
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Not to be picky, but it is spelled overo. ;)
 
sandi_84 said:
Just amazing looking! :eek: Looks like someone's been at it with the black paint ha ha! :D
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Try to think of it the other way round. Someone's been at her with white paint. :)

If you think of all white markings this way (from a tiny star to a maximum white sabino) it makes it easier to get your head around. Well that's what I found. ;)
 
eatmyshorts said:
Yup, there's so much more to colour than just skewbald and piebald! Black frame overdo, my absolutely favourite colour. For those of you who haven't seen one before(and you'd be lucky to in the UK), google "loud frame overdo" and you'll see some awesome horses.
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Some seriously gorgeous horses on that google search!!
 
I've always found it easy to explain to folk (basically) that say you have e.g. a black horse which looks like it's had white paint thrown at it, you're probably looking at an overo, whereas if you imagine a white horse that's had black paint thrown at it, you've got a tobiano (which Spellcheck tells me is AKA a Robison!)
 
Aww that is well cute. There is some weird farm near me with acres of ponies and one of them is white apart from its head/neck which are black and I really want to go get it!
 
While we're on the subject of colour and markings, another pattern I love which folk may not be aware of is called a Medicine Hat. This is where the head is white with dark ears kinda like a bonnet (it's also sometimes called a War Bonnet). Technically (correct me if I'm wrong Faracat) these are normally toveros (tobiano x overo), but were prized by the Indians as having mystical powers and often kept by the Medicine Man of the tribe. So, who's got a magical horse then?
 
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Well I never. Thank you for that info. I wonder why the colour gene affects the colon in such a catastrophic way. Do you know?
 
I can't c&p, but look up Lethal White Syndrome, it is similar to Hirschsprung Disease in humans.
 
putasocinit said:
I would be too scared to own it and that other stunning silver dapple one incase they were stolen, lol.
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That is a very sad to read, but understandable.:(

Many of my paddocks have road frontage, I never worry about my horses, but in the UK I would feel like you do and practically have them under lock and key , or at least in more discreet pastures.

I have minis, palominos, appaloosas a variety of Paints and buckskins, in summer I have foals out there too. Just too tempting for UK horse thieves. Horses get stolen here too of course :(
 
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