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Is there a colour expert out there?!?! I have bred (3rd generation, owned his great grandmother, grandmother and mother) a lovely TB x Connemara. His Sire was dun and his mother grey but he has come out palomino with soot marks which are getting more as he gets older....in fact at his second show last week, someone asked me if he was part Appaloosa!!! His mother, and grandmother were grey, his great grandmother was a BEC Connemara pony believed to be by Carna Dun. She had 3 foals for me - grey, dun and grey to stallions that were 1st - chestnut, 2nd - dark bay 3rd - dark bay. The Dun Connemara stallion sire was by a grey stallion out of I think a bay connemara mare. I am told that this could be dilute chestnut because of the soot marks which chestnuts sometimes do carry. Are the soot marks likely to get more as he gets older or less? He has just about nearly there with his summer coat which is coming through golden palomino and the soot marks do not seem quite so garish!! All I wanted was a grey or dun!!! Someone mixed the paint up! Any views would be welcome. Thanks
 
My boy's sire was a dun connemara stallion (maam hill), his dam was a grey connemara mare...Fudge turned out palomino!
He has quite alot of dark dun coloured markings on his flanks and a few small black spot like marks around his hind quarters, he even has chestnut and black hair through his tail!
I don't think he knows what colour he wants to be!
 
Is this a foal we are talking about? Reason I ask, is that if so, he could still grey out.

Palomino is a dilute chestnut, so one of his parents must carry the cream gene, either his father is a buckskin and not a dun (looks similar but different gene) and it was passed on from him or he got it from his mother.

Although his mother is grey, this is not her actual colour and she could be a chestnut with the greying gene OR she could be a buckskin with the greying gene. It does sound that she only has one grey gene as she has produced a non greying buckskin from a bay, which makes me think that she probably carries a cream (dilute) gene too. You do not say what colour her 'grey' foals were at birth so hard to second guess. Sooo, the damn is probably carrying, red with cream and grey extensions, your fellow has not inherited the grey gene but does seem to have inherited the red (chestnut) with the cream (dilute) extension - which makes him a dilute chestnut (palomino). Only one way to know for sure - you could have her dna tested - really easy and fairly inexpensive.

Hope this has not confused and befuddled you as I have rambled a bit
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Nearly all 'dun' Connemaras are actually buckskin

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Would I be right in thinking that Buckskins don't have a dorsal stripe, or would that just be too easy a way to tell the difference without resorting to DNA tests?
 
Hmm, i believe my horse must now be a buckskin then? Very difficult, the closest match i've seen is that paralympic dressage horse that Lee Pearson rides (Blue Circle Boy) http://www.leepearson.co.uk/id4.html so a golden dun? (as we term him at present) with white blaze and one white foot but his legs are black. Actually looking at that description i think mine has the same temperament too!
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Our other horse noone seems to know what colour he is so is termed a grey dun at present as he's predominately a darkish grey colour (similar to sirena's pic with similar face markings) although browny in some parts but he does have a dorsal stripe! His dad was an Andalusian and mum a TB (x poss NF) think the andalusian is where he gets his weird colouring from!
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Yes you're right - dun horses have a dorsal stripe and bucksins don't. Now you know that you'll squirm uncontrollably when people insist on describing their buckskin horses as dun
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Hmm, i believe my horse must now be a buckskin then? Very difficult, the closest match i've seen is that paralympic dressage horse that Lee Pearson rides (Blue Circle Boy) http://www.leepearson.co.uk/id4.html so a golden dun? (as we term him at present) with white blaze and one white foot but his legs are black. Actually looking at that description i think mine has the same temperament too!
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Our other horse noone seems to know what colour he is so is termed a grey dun at present as he's predominately a darkish grey colour (similar to sirena's pic with similar face markings) although browny in some parts but he does have a dorsal stripe! His dad was an Andalusian and mum a TB (x poss NF) think the andalusian is where he gets his weird colouring from!
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Interesting! Sirena was born chocolate dun (eelstripe etc), she is by a stallion called Granero IV who always threw duns, unfortunately he was obviously also a double grey as they always go grey
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Yes you're right - dun horses have a dorsal stripe and bucksins don't. Now you know that you'll squirm uncontrollably when people insist on describing their buckskin horses as dun
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Hahaha........no unfortunately I'm the type of person that'll delight in telling them.............I've got one candidate already!!!
 
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