Coloured a "type" - am I going mad??

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Two girls on my yard said on Sunday that a "coloured" is not a colour, it's a "type" - that they are all straight moving (this was them trying their utmost not to be openly derogatory in front of me, who has one
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I tenatively suggested it's not, it's a colour - I know two coloured warmbloods, and what about Masterpiece? (Though I must admit, I never did get how he could be TB, can anyone explain?)

There are Masterpiece babies all over our countryside looking at us, yet these two clearly thought I was bonkers to suggest that a coloured is anything other than a gypsy cob type (having said that, mine is not, he's a Suffolk cross - but to them he's a cob too).

Am I mental???
 
Skewby - they are mad!!!!!! Of course a coloured is just a colour not a type. I have a coloured. He is a 17'2 sports horse. DWBxTB
There are coloured TB's, coloured ponies, pinto's etc. In effect people have bred colour into just about every breed. So yes it is a colour just like bay, chestnut, grey, black. Just ignore yours is clearly not a gypsy cob so they are just making themselves look stupid.


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They are nuts. It is a colour. Just think about the different shapes and sizes of coloured horses there are such as gypsy cobs, tb crosses etc. We had a 14.2 coloured who was a warmblood X irish.
 
It's a colour/pattern, not a type! Baffle them with science - tell them there are a couple of genes which cause colour, tobiano (which is what most of the british ones are) and overo (which is mainly American) and you can get coloured horses in virtually every breed with a bit of careful breeding, e.g. arabs and TBs which are virtually purebred except for a coloured somewhere way back in their parentage.

Maybe they mean the traditional/gypsy coloureds, which are a bit more of a type? But you can get plain coloured gypsy cobs too.
 
Thats ridiculous - substitute the word Bay for the word coloured So then Bay is a type of horse. No it is simply a colour which can be found in many types/breeds of horses. Exactly as coloured can be. Even in showing they divide colour up into types - working hunter, ridden hunter, traditional, show cobs.
 
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Two girls on my yard said on Sunday that a "coloured" is not a colour, it's a "type" - that they are all straight moving (this was them trying their utmost not to be openly derogatory in front of me, who has one
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I have a coloured horse, warmblood X cob
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And she moves far from straight
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She dishes for England, bless her
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coloured ponies are defined by their colour and are not, as such a vreed, however there is a certin stamp of coloured pony, also known as the banner of gypsy pony, that is recognizable. light-draght animals, they are common in many parts of europe pullin the colourful carvans of gypsy travellers,
 
So as you have said in your post - 'there is a certin stamp of coloured pony, also known as the banner of gypsy pony, that is recognizable. light-draght animals' They are a type. defined by their type which happen to be coloured as well. So your argument is the same as everyone elses. Colour is a colour and it comes in may forms which are their own types.
 
I agree with bosworth... Vanners are types, not a recognised breed. In a coloured class at a show you will see all types of horses and ponies, and all sorts of breeds. The fact they are coloured does not mean they are all the same type, it means that they are coloured, ie piebald or skewbald, and in some showing classes they include palomino and spotted.
 
It sounds like the girls in the OP may be getting a bit confused about the difference between the actual colour (piebald & skewbald) and the way that you get coloured horses divided up into different class types for showing ie the vanner/traditional type, the show cob type and the non-traditional type.

Obviously, the traditional hairies are the best type, anyway
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They are muppets - firstly, gypsy cobs can be any colour, black, bay, grey, chesnut, dun..... and of course piebald and skewbald.

A gypsy cob is a breed - not a suffolk x - sorry if I sound rude, not meant to be. A well bred gypsy cob is very obvious and yes I have one and have a reasonable knowledge of the breed and its standard.

There are coloured classes, these are for horses that funny enough are coloured, skewbald or piebald, or in some cases odd coloured, duns, roans etc ie a type as they can be a registered breed or a heinz 57.

These classes are sometimes broken down into non-natives ponies, native/traditional/cob type ponies and then the same but exc 153. They can have anything from a shetland to a shire in these classes.
 
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Two girls on my yard said on Sunday that a "coloured" is not a colour, it's a "type" - that they are all straight moving (this was them trying their utmost not to be openly derogatory in front of me, who has one
smile.gif
).

I tenatively suggested it's not, it's a colour - I know two coloured warmbloods, and what about Masterpiece? (Though I must admit, I never did get how he could be TB, can anyone explain?)

There are Masterpiece babies all over our countryside looking at us, yet these two clearly thought I was bonkers to suggest that a coloured is anything other than a gypsy cob type (having said that, mine is not, he's a Suffolk cross - but to them he's a cob too).

Am I mental???

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They are morons talking rubbish with utter confidence. Don't listen to them or let them make you feel bad.

Coloured horses come in all breeds, shapes and sizes, so how that can make them a 'type' I fail to see - idiots!
 
see now i can see where you are both coming from but if you think about it there is the aguemnet of wheather the palomino and appolossa are they a breed/ type or colour i belive these are types but thats my opinon.

alot of people belives these are colours. it can go diffrent ways and i dont think it will ever get proved which they actually are.
 
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but if you think about it there is the aguemnet of wheather the palomino and appolossa are they a breed/ type or colour i belive these are types but thats my opinon.

alot of people belives these are colours. it can go diffrent ways and i dont think it will ever get proved which they actually are.

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Palomino is 100% a colour and NOT a type. If it was, you could put 2 pallys together and be guaranteed another pally! They are absolutely and utterly a colour, caused by one cream gene acting on a chestnut base.
 
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see now i can see where you are both coming from but if you think about it there is the aguemnet of wheather the palomino and appolossa are they a breed/ type or colour i belive these are types but thats my opinon.

alot of people belives these are colours. it can go diffrent ways and i dont think it will ever get proved which they actually are.

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Well Pallys are a colour
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And Appys are a breed...because they just are.
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It isn't one colour, there are different types of colour in an Appy.

And a spotted pony/horse is not necessarily an Appy.

I would have thought...
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i understand that but if you go through the breeds a palomino come up its a strange one really i think im all confussed now at work!!!!


loooollll sorry guys if i sound like a idiot as some may say but i just get confussed when you go through breed books and there they are,
 
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i understand that but if you go through the breeds a palomino come up its a strange one really i think im all confussed now at work!!!!

loooollll sorry guys if i sound like a idiot as some may say but i just get confussed when you go through breed books and there they are,

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No, you are right there - I've seen books where palominos are described as a breed, but they are old books and frankly they were wrong.

You can get palomino Welsh Mountain ponies, Welsh Cobs, Warmbloods, even thoroughbreds now, and with advanced in genetic testing, it is proved without doubt that it is just a colour, not a breed.
 
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coloured ponies are defined by their colour and are not, as such a vreed, however there is a certin stamp of coloured pony, also known as the banner of gypsy pony, that is recognizable. light-draght animals, they are common in many parts of europe pullin the colourful carvans of gypsy travellers,

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I think you mean vanner. That IS a type, and it just happens to be piebald or skewbald, but 'coloured' is just that; coloured.
 
Saying coloured is a type/breed is the same as saying all non caucasions (sp?) are the same........... which is quite frankly daft
 
when did "coloured" actually become fashionable as a word to discribe "skewbald/Piebald" animals?

this is where the confusion arises...

and no, they are not a type...where as "Gypsy Cob/Vanners" are..
 
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