Come on all you horse lovers..........

I'm afraid that I disagree with this, as the impllications for "charities" being able to access private property, without a warrent, and remove animals begins to challenge some of the fundamentals of English law.
 
YorksG said:
I'm afraid that I disagree with this, as the impllications for "charities" being able to access private property, without a warrent, and remove animals begins to challenge some of the fundamentals of English law.
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I agree, it is implying that charities will have power to remove animals, they can now with the police involved if they go through the correct procedures they just need to act a bit faster in some instances not wait until it is too late to save them, I think the interpretation of the law needs addressing more than anything else.
 
Well for a start, I simply didn't open it because op didn't explain what the petition was for, but reading BP and YG's posts, I completely agree with them. It's a no sign from me too
 
Queenbee said:
Well for a start, I simply didn't open it because op didn't explain what the petition was for, but reading BP and YG's posts, I completely agree with them. It's a no sign from me too
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Sorry QB didn't think I would need to explain since the Fosse park story has been so well publicised. It seems that the charities involved are either stalling or unaware that they can already do what the petition is trying to bring about. I didn't start the petition but will ask why the person who did is wasting time then. So, if you and YG and B positive can suggest what else can be done since there seem to be so many tragedies of late - horses sent for slaughter without passport, or microchip checking, animals left to drown and/or starve. I think it is about time that the law is changed to help and not hinder and then there can be an attempt to get the police and others to actually carry it out.
 
Off to google fosse park as it's the first I have heard. As for the petition - another who won't be signing - some charities have crazy ideas of what is acceptable - I wouldn't want to give them power to seize...
 
Fides said:
Off to google fosse park as it's the first I have heard. As for the petition - another who won't be signing - some charities have crazy ideas of what is acceptable - I wouldn't want to give them power to seize...
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I don't believe that we should give any charity the right to seize animals (no matter how well intentioned). Those powers should quite rightly remain with the police, under the advice of a qualified vet.

PETA is a charity - should they have the right to seize racehorses from the Grand National because they believe that they are suffering? Or livestock from farms because we shouldn't be eating meat? Where do you draw the line?
 
The problems in the equine industry were debated in Westminster not long ago, the stalling point seems to be Defra attitude that nothing needs to change.

The major equine charities and bhs have joined together to pressure the government and defra for change so the current situation can be improved.

I agree situation needs to be clear with less room for misunderstanding and should be responsibility of local authorities, police and vets working together with the charities in a much shorter time than it takes at present.
 
YorksG said:
I'm afraid that I disagree with this, as the impllications for "charities" being able to access private property, without a warrent, and remove animals begins to challenge some of the fundamentals of English law.
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And so it should!

Signed and shared.

Given the sheer magnitude of animal welfare issues in the UK until such a time as every police force in the country has an effctive and complete dedicated animal cruelty division rather than maybe one officer at best charities have to assume the role and be able to take and make decisions based on the immediate welfare considerations of the animal.

If the police force is overburdened, costs prohibitive and a general lack of willingness for them to have such dedicated animal welfare officers and divisions then large well funded charities like the RSPCA who do should have full legal enforcement powers and authority in their own right.

For charities like the RSPCA developing effective approaches that allow for immediate or much earlier intervention and prevention of serious welfare problems has not been successful.

The whole damned if they do damned if they don't attitude so commonly expressed is sickening.

I find it somewhat strange in a nation of supposed animal lovers that there isn't a dedicated animal welfare police force paid for by the tax payer. In my opinion a division of the RSPCA which is already ideally set up would be well suited for the job.
 
The law already covers such situatiosn but unfortunately few know this & pussyfoot around rather than going to the correct department - in this case the local authority which does have powers to act.
What is needed is to bring back NED in a working form and maybe bring in a softer version of animal movement licenses to apply to horses.
 
HappyHooves said:
No apologies for putting this here since you may have not seen or preferred not to look at the distressing photos of the horses as Fosse Park. We need to make a start on changing the laws around horses in this country... this is a start so please sign.....

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/60985
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Thank you, Happy Hooves, for attempting to widen awareness of the dreadful situation in terms of equine welfare in the UK. It seems that most of those responding to your post are concerned about legislation which extends the powers of charities, whereas the crux of the matter seems to be that enforcement of current legislation is ineffectual, being far too slow to be "fit for purpose". I HAVE signed the petition, and will be travelling to London on 16th April to lend my support to this campaign.
 
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