conflicting opinions on whether my pony is a coloured or not, advice please?

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i have a bay pony with a single white splodge on his belly, about half way along his belly (front to back) and up more towards his side than the centre.......if that makes any sense!?

he has a white face and socks etc, his passport says he's a skewbald but some people say he's a bay with a simple splodge of white and others say he's a skewbald.

i can't remember what the 'rulings' were with regards to it but i'm sure i saw somewhere that the white mark had to be of a certain size or something for it to be classed as a skewbald.
 
Like this?

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here's the pic of him if it works, the splodge looks smaller in the pic than what it is in reality but hopefully it will give you an idea.

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he doesn't have any other white splodges anywhere else!
 
Bay with a splodge! I'd always understood that a skewbald (or piebald) had to have definite, clearly defined markings of brown/white or black/white - so that they look like an atlas, if you see what I mean. A horse with blurred colour edges, and usually more white than other colours, was 'coloured'. But you've got a splodge. A very pretty splodge too!
 
He looks like he has draft in him, shires and Clydesdale commonly get white patches under the belly, he appears to have a lot of white on his legs too, swinging towards him having Clydesdale in him? Also his shoulders give away a draft heritage..
 
Shadeyoak said:
He looks like he has draft in him, shires and Clydesdale commonly get white patches under the belly, he appears to have a lot of white on his legs too, swinging towards him having Clydesdale in him? Also his shoulders give away a draft heritage..
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Shadeyoak said:
I've got a shire x cob .. my heavy horse radar picks up something hunkish about this gelding... I love heavy breeds ;):D
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Just to clarify, the 2 side on shots are of my horse, not the OP's! I put them up to see if that was what the OP was trying to describe :)

And yes, she was Clydesdale x !
 
I was looking in to this the other night, trying to decide what colour my baby cob is (he's apparently a sabino roan-skewbald;)) and to be a piebald/skewbald, the white on the belly has to extend above the level of the elbows/stifles.

So you have a bay with a splodge! And it's lovely.:)
 
As Beausmate says, bay with a splodge, I think.

If he was a Paint horse then that splodge would qualify him for the regular registry as opposed to the solid registry.

Taken from CHAPS UK site : http://www.chapsuk.com/images/membership/forms/CHAPSNEWMembersHandbookupdated2011.pdf

WHAT is a “COLOURED” HORSE or PONY?
The definition of a “coloured” horse or pony is one whose coat colour is either white and black
(piebald) or white and any other colour (skewbald), e.g. bay, roan, chestnut; with a patch of naturally
occurring white coat. This white patch must be on the body above the level of the stifle or elbow,
excluding any face markings. Any white marking below this does not qualify.
 
thanks everyone, as i said his passport says he's a skewbald (which i always thought was odd!) and i haven't given it any more thought really until people started saying he's classed as a coloured and i should show him in coloured classes, i didn't want to enter into a class and then get laughed out of it! :D

he is only 12.2hh but stocky as anything. he powers along in all gaits and is a proper mischievous little pony! he's about 5yrs old.

i bought him from a guy who bought a lot of wild ponies from dartmoor, he's down as a cob x, not sure what the x is though as he is literally a shrunken cob, if he had slightly longer back and longer legs he would be a full cob (if that makes sense). he takes cob sized bridle/headcollar, 5'3" rugs so a proper little chunky monkey!
 
not coloured! very handsome!!
i would get the passport changed if i was you, who did it?
I remember when the passports first came out i had the get the vet out to draw on the markings etc.
 
he's passported with the pet i-d people. he was passported when rounded up. the drawing for him is 100% correct but the skewbald is written in the front of the passport.

this was done nearly 4yrs ago so i dont' know if things have changed since then though.
 
Enfys said:
WHAT is a “COLOURED” HORSE or PONY?
The definition of a “coloured” horse or pony is one whose coat colour is either white and black
(piebald) or white and any other colour (skewbald), e.g. bay, roan, chestnut; with a patch of naturally
occurring white coat. This white patch must be on the body above the level of the stifle or elbow,
excluding any face markings. Any white marking below this does not qualify.
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On that basis, isn't this horse a coloured then? He has a naturally occuing white patch that is above the level of the stifle or elbow, and it isn't a face marking. I must say, my first thought was bay with splodge, but after reading that I'm now thinking coloured. So confusing!!
 
As we are on the subject of splodge's,

I would like to take Little Ted to a party next year, could I stick him in an in-hand coloured class ? He is not good enough to do led hunters, but it would do him a lot of good to see the world once or twice as a 2 year old. He is 13 months here and his passport says black cob type.

I would just take him to the local riding club
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My friends just got a new mare, that is a black cob with a white splog on her hind left leg. She said it was called something like a milk line, cannot remember what she called it but started with milk. She is a colourd because of this white mark or that is what we have been told :)

So I would think you horse is a coloured as well from that, that we have been told.
 
hi my cob has these markings to, i researched colouring and apparently the colour is called 'Blagdon' colouring,

Blagdon is when a horse has white up the legs and which splashes onto thier stomach or up the side.

This colouring decends from clydesdale breeding

if you google Blagdon cob colouring you will find the site which explains it :)
 
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Originally Posted by Enfys

WHAT is a “COLOURED” HORSE or PONY?
The definition of a “coloured” horse or pony is one whose coat colour is either white and black
(piebald) or white and any other colour (skewbald), e.g. bay, roan, chestnut; with a patch of naturally
occurring white coat. This white patch must be on the body above the level of the stifle or elbow,
excluding any face markings. Any white marking below this does not qualify.


Helenalbert: On that basis, isn't this horse a coloured then? He has a naturally occuing white patch that is above the level of the stifle or elbow, and it isn't a face marking. I must say, my first thought was bay with splodge, but after reading that I'm now thinking coloured. So confusing!!

Riding High, Perhaps the best way is to actually send photos to CHAPS or a Colour Society, even if you aren't planning to register they will tell you if his splodge qualifies him or not. I am sure there used to be a ruling about size too, was it 4" ? Does he have any coloureds in his background? Ah, sorry, just read that he came off the moor, in that case then I would say that there is a high possibility that he does have a coloured in his ancestry.

I would still just describe him as a bay with a splodge
 
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I thought that any white that is not a blaze or socks/stockings but is on the main body of the horse, qualifies them as coloured. So I would say he is coloured.
 
partypremier said:
I agree tri-coloured. He has black, bay & white
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :eek:

Tri-coloured is the most awful term IMO. Where are the pukey smileys when you need them? ;)

Please think about what you are saying.
Bay does not = brown.
Bay = a black horse with the agouti gene that fades the body colour to brown. All bays have black legs, mane, ear tips and tails (unless another gene is modifying the coat further eg white stockings or gulastra plume/grey tail).


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He is a bay sabino.

Whether or not he has enough of a white splodge to count as a coloured is up to CHAPS. Sabino is thought of as a 'coloured gene' but it can be expressed minimally and cause, for example a small sock only, which would definitely not count as a 'coloured horse'.
 
AdorableAlice said:
As we are on the subject of splodge's,

I would like to take Little Ted to a party next year, could I stick him in an in-hand coloured class ? He is not good enough to do led hunters, but it would do him a lot of good to see the world once or twice as a 2 year old. He is 13 months here and his passport says black cob type.

I would just take him to the local riding club
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This horse is also a sabino (with gulastra plume). I can't decide from the photo whether he is a faded black, a very dark bay... or possibly (this is the least likely) a smokey black.
 
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