Cremello Stallions - Suggestions??

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As above really!
Ive decided that if Seri foals well and everything goes to plan I'd like to try for a palomino if possible.... According to the color calculator if she is 'bay' Ill get either a buckskin, smokey black or palomino. If she is 'chestnut roan' Ill get palomino or palomino roan, so Im onto a winner colour wise, whatever it turns out that Seri is!

Ive looked here - http://www.thecremellosite.co.uk/CREMELLOSTALLIONS.HTML

Does anything catch your expert eye?

I dont want anything bigger than 14/14.2 depending on build as she is 12.2/13hh.

Cheers!! x
 
Honestly, in my opinion if you are breeding solely for colour then you shouldn't be breeding at all. What would happen if the foal you bred wasn't palomino? Would you keep on trying until you got one?

If you want a palomino, go and buy one, there are plenty out there that need homes. Sorry if this sounds harsh but with the state of the horse market the last thing we need are more Krazy Kolor Breeders.
 
s4sugar said:
There is quite a difference between bay & chestnut roan!

How is Seri bred & any chance of a picture?
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Found the photos,

Not a good idea - she is bay or brown and rather dark so even if she carries red any foal is likely to be sooty.

What gave yo the idea she is chestnut roan? Rabicano doesn't affect the base colour.
 
It's always easier for a breeder to choose a suitor for a mare who's foaled previously as then you get a bit of a picture building up as to what the mother offers to her foals. When the foals are born you can assess their conformation and see what you might like to improve upon next time around. It's then that I think it becomes interesting trying to find that perfect match and then waiting to see whether what you think is going to be amazing, ends up being so, or not as the case may be. I don't think there's anything wrong with breeding using colour somewhere down at the tail end of your list but make sure the stallion that you choose has good conformation over and above colour. Those stallions aren't my thing at all.
 
Spring Feather said:
It's always easier for a breeder to choose a suitor for a mare who's foaled previously as then you get a bit of a picture building up as to what the mother offers to her foals. When the foals are born you can assess their conformation and see what you might like to improve upon next time around. It's then that I think it becomes interesting trying to find that perfect match and then waiting to see whether what you think is going to be amazing, ends up being so, or not as the case may be. I don't think there's anything wrong with breeding using colour somewhere down at the tail end of your list but make sure the stallion that you choose has good conformation over and above colour. Those stallions aren't my thing at all.
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Thank you Spring Feather - I was just about to write a rather scathing reply to whoever suggested that Im an irisponsible (sp??) breeder for liking the idea of a palomino foal.
Statistically Palomino's, duns (buckskin should that be??) and coloureds sell better in any market because people want pretty ponies - however that doesnt mean that I would use any old mare to any old cut and shut stallion just to get a piebald/skewbald/sky blue pink and purple!

IF I decide to breed Seren again, after seeing what her foal comes out like, what sort of mother she is and most importantly, how she feels after foaling, then my aim of a palomino filly for keeps will be looked into further.
If the resulting foal is a colt then Im sure there will be a market in the show pony world for him.

Thank you also Stolen Silver, I cant describe Seri's colour, and the calculator thingy didnt have a 'rabicano' option!lol!

I agree with the poster who said Powder Puff looked nice....but Im not sure on the head...hmmmm! x


EDIT - SS, thanks for that, only had a quick squiz as off on foal watch!!

Sugar - how bout you come and look at her and tell me what colour she is? Shes a welsh B show hunter pony. Parents unknown. Ive got 18months worth of pics of her on here, all showing her in different colours.
 
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S4sugar I assure you those photos are of the same pony and that pony is liver chestnut rabicano. It can be very hard to tell the colour of some horses from photos. :)

Rosehip I think your plan is very sensible. Seren is a show pony and should produce a gorgeous show pony foal. There have to be some cremello show pony stallions out there, the problem is finding them as they don't tend to belong to studbooks. Do you have any showing friends who may know where to find one?
 
stolensilver said:
S4sugar I assure you those photos are of the same pony and that pony is liver chestnut rabicano. It can be very hard to tell the colour of some horses from photos. :)

Rosehip I think your plan is very sensible. Seren is a show pony and should produce a gorgeous show pony foal. There have to be some cremello show pony stallions out there, the problem is finding them as they don't tend to belong to studbooks. Do you have any showing friends who may know where to find one?
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there are lots of cremellos in studboks. i had a cremello welsh a stallion. and there is now a cremello tb racehorse.
there are also cremello welsh d stallions.
decide what u want to breed size build wise and look on internet.
plenty out there to look at
 
I probably wasn't clear. Its show ponies that don't tend to be in studbooks, not cremellos although some studbooks still exclude them like the Connemaras (unless they've changed their rules recently).
 
Stolen Silver, thanks everso much! Just back from 'foal watch'...Seri tighter than a ducks bum and Mels has decided that Karen is the devil incarnate come to eat her - however I, as the holder of the polo's, was most welcome! haha!
The lady I bought Seri off goes to HOYS most years with at least one of hers, so she could well know of someone with a cremello...there must be some out there as I owned a palomino show pony once! lol!
My problem with Sec A is their heads, I'm really not keen on the hugely dished faces and large eyes that so many of the (cremello especially) stallions have,but I love the floating action and the quality of bone! However a D would be far to heavy for Seri.....Hmmmm, plenty of time to deliberate I guess!
I do like the Connie you sent me the link to, but I think he is going to accentuate Serens already quite lengthy back, he has a super head though! Argh, decisions decisions!!!

Hope Lottie is baking her bun nicely! K is looking much better! xx
 
Lottie is getting close to foaling. She's going to be stabled at night from the end of this week. Exciting! Its good to hear that K is a bit better. I wish I was! I'm rivalling Fungus the Bogeyman in dribbly greenness at the moment. Not a pretty sight!

I've just found the sort of stud that will have the type of stallion you are looking for:

http://www.doylanstud.com/stallion.htm

I'm sure there are more, they're just well hidden. :)

Here's another one who seems to be producing offspring that win out showing.

http://www.manedealer.com/static_html/stallions_mysticpride.html
 
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Kalevan Mystic Pride is a fabulous Welsh sec B.
I've got a stunning 3yo by him out of my TB mare.
KMP is top sec B bloodlines and has thrown very good ponies in all disaplines.
He's got very good conformation and temperament but the photo's don't do him justice imo.
He's in Cornwall at Langwed (sp) stud but I know he does AI as well as natural cover.
You'd tick all the boxes with him, not just the one for colour :)
 
Indigo Moose said:
Honestly, in my opinion if you are breeding solely for colour then you shouldn't be breeding at all. What would happen if the foal you bred wasn't palomino? Would you keep on trying until you got one?

If you want a palomino, go and buy one, there are plenty out there that need homes. Sorry if this sounds harsh but with the state of the horse market the last thing we need are more Krazy Kolor Breeders.
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Just to offer a little bit of back ground the OP is asking for Cremello so she will get a diluted foal.
and in my personal opinion it is better to use a stallion the is Homozygous for the desred gene then to risk breeding a non coloured or non diluted and not get what you want.
we all dont go shopping for beans and come home with Loo Roll.
 
Had a look at all the stallions suggested, 2 that I really like I think will be a bit big for Seren...but are a possiblity when I have looked into it further (not with it at all today as a friends funeral this afternoon) and a couple of others that are worth a second look.
Thanks everyone for your suggestions!
A couple of pics from yesterday which I think show Serens different coat colourings -

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See how different she looks??!! x
 
Faracat said:
Rabicano?

She's certainly got the white hairs at the top of her tail and the flecks on her flanks.
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Absolutey Faracat, KarynK (I think!) said that she is a racoon tailed rabicano with white splash... The debate it seems is her base colour!
I think she is eitherr a very deep liver chestnut, or a chocolate. Certainly not the bay she is passported as!

I have looked again at the stallions...very very much like Kalevan Mystic Pride, think I will be adding him to my wish list!x
 
Good luck with your search but if you want to wait a couple of years I have a nice yearling section A cremello colt that will hopefully be standing at stud. Please be aware though not all Cremello's will throw dilute. Make sure that it is tested not to carry the grey gene.

This is my boys head
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NicolaC said:
Good luck with your search but if you want to wait a couple of years I have a nice yearling section A cremello colt that will hopefully be standing at stud. Please be aware though not all Cremello's will throw dilute. Make sure that it is tested not to carry the grey gene.

This is my boys head
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He's a smart little chap!
To be honest I cant decide if I really want to back to back Seri, or wait a while and work her 1st...she is only 6 so I have plenty of time! x
 
i had a welsh a "uphill finigan" he was a traditional welsh a. sold him few months ago.

to breed a dilute make sure the stallion is double dilute as u then def get pal dun or smoky blak
 
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