Cruising clones!

[only_me]

Has anyone heard about this? Irish field broke the story, the great cruising has 2 clones to carry on his line, isn't it fab!

http://www.theirishfield.ie/cruising-clones-how-it-all-began-174705/

They look identical! I'm sure they aren't identical in personality etc. but they sure look the same

 

[Escapade]

I think it's awful. Aside from my concerns about cloning itself (of which there are many), we're not exactly short on the Cruising bloodline. What about genetic diversity? Stallions must die to make room for up and coming sires, that's progression. I really feel that this is a step backwards.

I hope they handle this carefully, it could be very damaging I fear.

 

[Wagtail]

Wrong on so many levels...

 

[popsdosh]

^^^^^^^^^
Totally agree . Typical greed without thinking about the long term benfits to the horse industry. If it is like other animals that have been cloned so far most carry a defect through which means they are short lived so hope it comes back to bite them hard.

 

[Escapade]

^^^^^^^^^
Totally agree . Typical greed without thinking about the long term benfits to the horse industry. If it is like other animals that have been cloned so far most carry a defect through which means they are short lived so hope it comes back to bite them hard.

That's an important point. Cloned horses go straight into breeding really and these two are no different, but what is the long-term survivability, soundness etc. of clones and their progeny? Do we even know? The risks far outweigh the benefits for me.

 

[s4sugar]

I could understand making a clone of a gelding that became an outstanding performer but when a stallion has been used extensively how is a clone going to help?

 

[twobearsarthur]

Wrong wrong wrong.
On so many levels.
Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.

 

[turnbuckle]

Oh dear, such negativity.

Agreed, there are practical and ethical worries.....but I'm just pleased my loon will have some more relatives to bump into!

 

[twobearsarthur]

Oh dear, such negativity.

Agreed, there are practical and ethical worries.....but I'm just pleased my loon will have some more relatives to bump into!

Sorry, but hardly a good enough reason to do this, when you look at not only the moral and ethical repurrcussions but the long term survivability, health and soundness of the clones and their offspring.

 

[Mariposa]

Cambiaso, the top polo player in the world (arguably!) has cloned several of his top ponies, and one actually played in the Argentine Open this year. Very interesting short video on it here:

http://youtu.be/FfvtUeamSDA

And an interesting article on the clones here http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7707f3b4-dc26-11e3-8511-00144feabdc0.html - he now has 56 clones in his string.

Personally, I find the whole idea of cloning uncomfortable, but each to their own.

 

[EquestrianE01]

Sorry this a really numpty question, but would anyone mind telling exactly how they've cloned these horses?

 

[twobearsarthur]

Sorry this a really numpty question, but would anyone mind telling exactly how they've cloned these horses?

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/irish-show-jumping-stallion-cruising-cloned-1.2103359

 

[EquestrianE01]

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/irish-show-jumping-stallion-cruising-cloned-1.2103359

Thank you

 

[Apercrumbie]

I think one of the main issues with cloning is that when the new foal is born, it is born with the 'old' DNA, DNA that has been ageing for years. This is apparently what causes the early deaths. I would imagine that that would have huge consequences for any progeny.

 

[Mariposa]

Apparently some of the ponies Cambiaso has cloned, as well as looking the same obviously, have the same personality quirks and are scared of the same random things, which I find really freaky!

 

[popsdosh]

Apparently some of the ponies Cambiaso has cloned, as well as looking the same obviously, have the same personality quirks and are scared of the same random things, which I find really freaky!

They dont look the same though!

 

[stormox]

Cruising iswnt the first show jumper to be cloned though, wasn't Romulus 16 cloned?And Im sure theyr others.... wonder what they pu on the passports...

 

[popsdosh]

Cruising iswnt the first show jumper to be cloned though, wasn't Romulus 16 cloned?And Im sure theyr others.... wonder what they pu on the passports...

They have to have clone as part of the name on the passport .as in these two after there name it has clone in brackets I also believe the orignal horses name has to be the prefix as well. The original parents are listed in the pedigree as if it was that mating again.

 

[stormox]

thatd make sense coz these 2 are 'cruising encore' and 'cruising aris'....