CS and Fig competition update!

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So, having qual for the PSG regionals with relative ease, Pea has now stepped up to Inter 1.

We pencilled in Keysoe for our debut - it’s a lovely venue with super surfaces and they didn’t let us down. Fantastic organisation as usual :)

Having never ridden this test at a show before, and knowing how different it always is compared to at home, I was expecting it to be more of a schooling outing and true to form, I made some fairly large lemon-like errors! Unusually for him he went very buzzy in the ring and more or less totally ran off with me in the ext canter lol and then the next time off that corner tried to do the same… Shame we should have been collecting for a piri! I then over whoa’d and over half halted and we ground to a stop so had to circle but did manage to do 2 sweet enough piris once we had got our act together!

I then got rather carried away in the 2’s and did 9 instead of 7, d’oh so threw marks away for no good reason (albeit nice to know we can do 9 lol!). With 2 very tough judges the resulting 55% was fair enough and I couldn’t wait to get out and have another go!

So off we trundled to Abbey Dressage on Sat for a take 2………..

He warmed up really well, much more uphill and connected than at Keysoe. Despite an apocalyptic hail storm just before we went in (it has been a weekend of totally barmy weather!).

Perhaps pay back for my total muddle at Keysoe, but he really threw the towel in and ruined what could have been a very nice test - the positives outweigh the negatives but still, I could throttle the little git quite cheerfully.

Postives:

Stayed in front of the leg 90% of the time
Never thought about rearing in the piris
Didn’t bog off in the ex canter
I can count to 7 (yay!)
Got better marks for his ext trot than normal so hard work paying off there
Got a 7 for his harder trot HP, finally!

Negatives:

Decided I needed a refresher course in Velcro pant useage and for absolutely no damn reason that I can see, humped at my leg in the 8m circle and then exploded in the trot HP right (the easy way, argh).

Decided after that that right HP was a no go and thus had to circle twice before the zig zag, kicking and swearing as he humped along doing snake head and threatening to drop me on my head.

I put my hand up at the end but even giving myself a 6 in place of the 0/1/2’s I would have got 65.something%. I could have screamed (internally I was!)....

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I literally do not know what the hell got in to him. Clearly he decided that my left leg was not acceptable, but is it just him being a sod or pain? Having done a course of gastroguard with no improvement, worked my way through 4/5 diff ulcer supps with also no real improvement except the Egusin, moved on to Equishure and now started on gastro plus with no improvement. I feel like I’m banging my head on a brick wall.

He is managed as an ulcer horse and clearly his stomach is/was sensitive but at what point do we tick this off the list? He trots up sound as a pound after flexion, is level on a tiny circle and at home and in the warm up finds the HP right easier!

He is being VERY aggressive in the stable atm, rug changing is like dressing a shark and he’s taken a swing for me and NMT over the door a few times too. Clearly *something* is up - but what? He is quite colty generally year round, and spring is in the air, could it be that simple? He looks really well in himself, is keen to come in and work and his work at home is lovely, barely any antics.

Infuriating creature, my head hurts from thinking about him! Although in reality - why am I surprised? We seem to go through this every time we go up a level, everyone is convinced he’s in agonizing pain and mental torture, and then one day he just shrugs it off and settles?

A good friend and GP rider is coming to have a sit on him on wed, she’s confident she can help sort him out thank god! And then we might go out for another try, depending on her diagnosis. And then the winters, where hopefully the safety zone of the PSG will lull him in to keeping all 4 feet on the ground :)
 
So, yesterday Mr Fig went to Elms Farm for M73 and M75. The weather scheduled to be moderately hideous, and true to form, there was an apocalyptic cloud looming upon arrival!

Brought him out for a first whizz round, and he was very tight over the back as there was quite a lot going on. Really bouncing and not stepping through; just worked him through it, asking gently for some steepish SI and traver in canter on a circle. Tried to be really soft with my hands so he didn’t feel pinned down, but really worked on getting him wrapped around my leg. Did some large working piris to make him sit behind and use his hips. After about 20 mins he just seemed to breathe out and relax. So a light seat canter round and lots of pats, and put him away.

We came back out to an imminent hail storm, thankfully the wind blew it the other day for a while! He didn’t take much working in this time, and was soft and waiting quite quickly. I watched a Dan Greenwood vid on Horse Hero a little while back (think the horse was Luca, lovely boy!), and he does on and back in the trot (using give and retakes too) but stays rising. I’ve been doing this with Fig and found it really helps because he HAS to wait on my seat and my rhythm, and not just pull my arms down his neck and brace his back against me.

Up into the canter; must NOT throw the contact away into the upwards transition. Otherwise I spend 2 strides with him flat and 2 more strides getting him up in the poll. Strangely enough, he sits more when I hold up my end of the bargain too ;) Back to the working piris, but making them tighter this time. 2 steps of piri and 2 steps forward, 2 steps of piri and 2 steps forward. Outside hand brings the shoulder round, inside leg keeps him stepping under and over.

I’m super impressed with his warm up as a whole; we’re getting the work we get at home now. I don’t need to baby him through it and I can run through the movements from the off rather than building up to them.

Into the test. It started off well... And there are a LOT of positives to be taken from it. He tried to wiggle his quarters over coming up the centre line post canter HP and I said nooo you don’t so he bucked, bucked again, changed leg twice and then slammed his shoulder down. Off we went quite sweetly. Then he tried to do the same thing coming cross the short diag corner to middle mark (canter walk canter) but went to go humping across doing mad tempis, so I brought him to a halt and tried again. He popped up into canter sweetly enough :shrugs: He’s a big boy now and has got to accept that I expect him to behave like a big boy in the ring! Pleased with the general tempo and rhythm and I’m starting to use my corners and markers better :)

Took him back into the warm up and did some really steep :youwillnotkickatmyleg: SI to travers with him, and he seemed happy enough to do that. Clever boy then did some really lovely HP to CC to simple change (must NOT throw that contact away, argh!). Showed off some lovely collected trot to passage transitions, and then worked on some mediums in rising trot as per JLC. He’s not a huge fan of the warm up surface (can be a little deep) so didn’t push them too hard (didn’t practice before the first test and got a 6.5 for both!). Perversely (considering he isn’t bred/built for this) he finds the long diagonals easiest, like he has more room to get into a rhythm?

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Remembered to canter in! Looking at the video (which I am desperately going to try and upload, come on internet!) I am SO pleased with how he looks - 99% of the time uphill and moving UP through the shoulder, can really see this in circles/corners.

We had, as per the first test, a few bobbles. He tried to shove his head up going into the rein back, so I halted, asked for round and then tried again. Perfect! Gave him a little pat as we moved off - the rein back itself was very nice :) Then the walk... The moment we turned across the diag: chomp chomp chomp and 2 jogs as soon as I put my leg on for extended. So nearly halted, brought him round (and far too deep for the movement to get a decent mark), and then asked him to lengthen the frame again. Fine! Second half really nice! Little booger lol! It’s (the walk) always the first thing to go with him, and I think it’s the anticipation of the walk piri’s (which are coming along nicely and think we got 6.5’s/7’s for). Can see in vid where I’m still not riding the med canters enough and I lost the canter HP rhythm (but kept the angle!).

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Scores: an expected 63.38 in M73 and a disappointing 63.64 in M75. I know this judge is tough but really expected a big diff between the 2 tests. I was however 1st out of a grand total of 2 people (by a good few %) in the first, and 1st out of a massive 3 people (by a good few % again). And we’ve somehow in not very many outings managed to qualify at Medium Restricted for the Regionals! Wasn’t my intention, but nice to know that even as a total newbie at this level (for both of us) we can do it! 2 more Area Festival sheets though which is ace. Looking at the individual marks our general trot and canter work got 7’s and 7.5’s from this judge, but the tension really let us down with a string of 2 3 and 4’s in both tests (and a 0 for the simple change we didn’t do!), which then affected our collectives.

Had a call this morning, my new saddle tree is FINALLY here! Should have it back by Fri! Eek, BD Winters are our next stop!!!!
 
Oh PS my heart does go out to you, you work so hard with that bloomin' 'oss of yours & sometimes he's just an ungrateful little git! I do have to admire your tenacity...I sobbed like a baby & threatened to give up horses after having to retire at a BE90 last season yet you find the positive & find a way of tackling the negative. So many would've given up Pea by now! Good for you!
I'm not going to insult you in any way by suggesting there is anything in your management causing his behaviour because I can't honestly see how there can be!!!!
Fig looks & sounds to becoming more & more grown up with every outing. You must be soooo pleased with him :)
 
Oh PS my heart does go out to you, you work so hard with that bloomin' 'oss of yours & sometimes he's just an ungrateful little git! I do have to admire your tenacity...I sobbed like a baby & threatened to give up horses after having to retire at a BE90 last season yet you find the positive & find a way of tackling the negative. So many would've given up Pea by now! Good for you!
I'm not going to insult you in any way by suggesting there is anything in your management causing his behaviour because I can't honestly see how there can be!!!!
Fig looks & sounds to becoming more & more grown up with every outing. You must be soooo pleased with him :)

Agree with everything here - and spring is arriving too...well, kind of! Well done and how do you always have your sheepskin looking SO fluffy?
 
You two know your horses better than anyone, so I'm probably not much help! I was lurking on here the other day and saw Catembi saying something about her horse's ulcers, may be worth a read? (Reminds me that I must go and comment after my lurking ;)).

They both look fab in the pics and I love how you both always draw out the positives and reflect on the learnings.
 
Oh PS my heart does go out to you, you work so hard with that bloomin' 'oss of yours & sometimes he's just an ungrateful little git! I do have to admire your tenacity...I sobbed like a baby & threatened to give up horses after having to retire at a BE90 last season yet you find the positive & find a way of tackling the negative. So many would've given up Pea by now! Good for you!
I'm not going to insult you in any way by suggesting there is anything in your management causing his behaviour because I can't honestly see how there can be!!!!
Fig looks & sounds to becoming more & more grown up with every outing. You must be soooo pleased with him :)

Peaface is not in my good books either, he really doesn't know how lucky he is! Thanks re: Fig :) I tried him on the equine science calmer cookies, and although he would only eat a few mouthfuls of feed with one crumbled in (so I had to gleefully syringe a half dose down his throat) he was much less buzzy than normal, easier to get in his head? So going to give the powder a go and PS going to try the cookies on CS :)

Agree with everything here - and spring is arriving too...well, kind of! Well done and how do you always have your sheepskin looking SO fluffy?

Oh spring is certainly here! Springs in Figs blummin heels!!!! Use a wire dog brush :) And wash them as little as often, and when you do, handwash only and make sure you condition them too.

You two know your horses better than anyone, so I'm probably not much help! I was lurking on here the other day and saw Catembi saying something about her horse's ulcers, may be worth a read? (Reminds me that I must go and comment after my lurking ;)).

They both look fab in the pics and I love how you both always draw out the positives and reflect on the learnings.

Yes think PS had already spied that and has that on her list of things to do, thank you for thinking of us :)

It's all part of the journey isn't it, and I know I do (and am sure PS does too) learn SO much from the slightly off days. But I do feel for her with that brute lol. He can do it, and do it well, so I don't get it. Wish they could talk ;)
 
PS, it's just horses!!! They are such contrary beasts :( Like you said, he has a little wobble going up a level then settles, perhaps that's all it is? I feel your pain - we have finally gotten on top of Pip's tension under saddle, and with impeccable timing, he's decided he WILL NOT travel any more, and started flinging himself about even when we're only doing 4mph. Neurotic animals. If it's any comfort he looks absolutely fantastic in the photos! I was watching the vids of him on facebook the other day and gawping. You really have done such an amazing job!

Fig is SUCH a dude! Love the hailstones pic.
 
Would jumping between the levels when you upgrade help? Eg inter back to psg before another inter. It's what I'd do eventing to keep the confidence!
 
thank you everyone, really thank you for being so supportive. I was too utterly flummoxed to cry on sat, but i have shed a few tears since then. Its not just the doing it, its the him being happy too and i SO thought we had got it more or less nailed :(

i am giving him until the trial of gastro plus runs out and the will try him on catembi's stuff and then on aloeride and if not joy, will re-build my wall and bang away.

Random idea....have you blood tested him for hormone levels??

spookily i was thinking the same thing earlier, i presume you mean in case he is a rig? vet is coming to jab him soon so was going to get him to do another lameness check at same time and am going to also ask him to draw bloods for hormones too, thank you.

Would jumping between the levels when you upgrade help? Eg inter back to psg before another inter. It's what I'd do eventing to keep the confidence!

honestly i really dont know if its that simple with him or not, if it was the 2's, or the full piris, or the zig zag upsetting him, i would say yes. But circle to HP is in med/adv med/adv/psg so no idea? If he hadnt gone skyward in the trot HP the first zig of the zig zag would have been ok is my gut feeling. Will see what friend says on wed, and then decide if/when/what level we do prior to winters or if we just go and do the psg at the winters with no more runs before that.
 
My boy had the Gastroplus and it did work for him-Have to say that it took a good two weeks to get really working and he was also better on two scoops a day-I put him on the two as advised by them for a week and then dropped to 1 scoop but just found him better on the two a day.The course lasted about 3 1/2 weeks even this way.Mine is always worse to the right and quite humpy to my leg when it's his stomach so knew exactly when it was working correctly.He has gone onto the stomach maintenance with Calmer from them after finishing the Gastroplus and I have to say is even better,can get straight on,no problems right and a pleasure and much more laid back.Not sure how long yours has been on it but would try and persevere with it an maybe consider keeping dose up or up dose day before and day of comp which they advised me to do.Good Luck and lovely horses.
 
I know its really hard to not to, but I wouldn't get too dissheartened by it. If he is doing all of the work okay at home but not out then it could be more of a stage fright issue or a physical issue that manifests itself from tension/stress? also as it is a test environment does he think he can get away with saying 'no'? Rather than at home where he knows he can't get away with it?

As an aside I warmed up with you at Keysoe and I think he looks even more hench in real life!. (I was on the bright bay with the red ribbon, not the kind-of out of control bay, I kept trying to stay out of peoples way and think that made me more in people's way! D'oh!).
 
I'm sorry I don't know the full story of your ulcer problems, but have you thought about hind gut ulcers, rather than stomach ulcers? They can produce the same type of symptoms, but can't be treated with gastroguard - they need something different, which at the moment completely escapes me.

Sorry, I'm being completely vague and probably not much help - but it might be something to think about?

Other than that, both boys look gorgeous :)
 
Not so much a rig test more a broad spectrum hormone test...when you take into account the mood changes, the gut issues, being colty, reaction to pressure, explosiveness....he kinda sounds like the vile pmt that humans can get with thyroid issues? While being a rig could also be an issue I did just wonder is it more a pituitary hormone issue
 
I'm sorry I don't know the full story of your ulcer problems, but have you thought about hind gut ulcers, rather than stomach ulcers? They can produce the same type of symptoms, but can't be treated with gastroguard - they need something different, which at the moment completely escapes me.

Omeprazole?

PS, he's a sod when he wants to be isn't he :( However look how far you guys have come over the years, I think that perhaps because the explosions and "**** you" moments are happening less often it's worse when they do?
NMT sounds like you have a few positives to take away as well, and Fig is looking great. You also seem to be sitting a lot taller?
 
Not so much a rig test more a broad spectrum hormone test...when you take into account the mood changes, the gut issues, being colty, reaction to pressure, explosiveness....he kinda sounds like the vile pmt that humans can get with thyroid issues? While being a rig could also be an issue I did just wonder is it more a pituitary hormone issue

This was my thinking too, it really fits with the mood swings and stress reactions?
 
As an aside I warmed up with you at Keysoe and I think he looks even more hench in real life!. (I was on the bright bay with the red ribbon, not the kind-of out of control bay, I kept trying to stay out of peoples way and think that made me more in people's way! D'oh!).

Lol!!!! I know which one you were :)

NMT sounds like you have a few positives to take away as well, and Fig is looking great. You also seem to be sitting a lot taller?

Ahh thank you :) I'm trying SO hard to sit up straight, esp in canter. Where I tip forward. On any horse. In any saddle!!!! It's a defence mechanism for my poor creaky hips, but I've actually been feeling quite strong recently. Swimming has def helped get me stronger and fitter :) My shoulders and neck are not so good at the moment (I feel like I have kissing spines!), but I'm due a physio and chiropractic biff next week so be sorted in time for Hartpury!
 
He does sound hormonal! (It would be easier if he was a mare!!) I'd def get some bloods done and go from there.
All the best, meanwhile I've got a rugged up shark image in my head......!!!!!
 
Could it be worth looking for a pattern in the exact seconds before he does it?

If he's doing it at home on a fairly regular basis then it's possibly not ring/atmosphere related - even if this makes it worse? Could it be something in his head - brain tiredness/uncertainty maybe?
 
There's no pattern as such, some days he will piaffe fine and then tell me to swivel in a walk/ canter for eg and other days a walk to trot might set him off, or a HP, or anything g really.
It's obv all related to him dropping behind the leg but he's like a ninja eel- one second up to the hand bobbing along fine and the next, bang.....if I feel it coming I've got seconds to make the call on whether to style it out ( like in the addington vid) or try and contain it, or ride out of it and again,no real pattern to what makes it worse or better the next time.

He was ok tonight but very much threatening me and thus we did have words about the HP and then he was very jolly and forward. Wish I could explain to him that a little bit more effort initially would avoid the argument!
 
Little monkey CS! I appreciate how disheartening this is for PS, but keep thinking back to how far he has come. You've had similar discussions about his 'attitude' when he was competing at the lower levels, when he was having problems with the piris and now with the higher demands, so it could well be that he always has this little bleep going moving on with his work that you have to work through. Your plan of adjusting your competition schedule and playing around with the different levels seems to have worked before so perhaps it's something he just needs (pressure on, pressure off kind of thing).

No harm in getting his hormones checked.

Have you ever tried talking to Malcolm at Equifeast? He's quite knowledgeable and may have some suggestions for supplements worth trying.
 
If it is hormonal then you could try No Moody No from Pegusus Health it's a strong tincture of Chasteberry but not that expensive. The trouble with testing is if he did have PPID then it would be awful as the only drug able to help is Prascend & that it illegal for competition rediculously.
But dont panic he's young!!

Stupid question but is there any chance he could be a rig??

Regarding the ulcers the only stuff i have ever found to work is Gastro G from superfix it's amazing stuff, not cheap but it kept one of mine ulcer free after being on Gastogard for 15 months. I swear by the stuff, unfortunately i lost the horse i used to use this on but i wouldnt have any hesitation of using this stuff again over Gastrogard.
 
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