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Big relief. I thought he was faltering approaching the fence and wondered if he was lame, but great to see him walking back OK. The conditions were pretty desperate.
 

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I did not enjoy this afternoon's racing at all. I'm surprised (very pleased though) that he wasn't another casualty.

He looked unhappy some way out, as did plenty of others. He looked completely out of it walking back. Hope he comes out of it ok.
 

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I cant tell you the relief I felt when he got up, those conditions were just awful, seeing the crowd clapping and cheering was wonderful to see. PN has said he wont race him again this season, I think that race with Altior took out more of them then people realise, just happy he is in one piece and safe.
 

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Aintree on good going is a lot different to today's slog. I've had horses in the past that hated rain and wouldn't do anything, maybe he is one of those.
 

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I creid like a baby when Cyrname got up. When Harry Cobden and the head girl, whos' name escapes me, were walking back I thought it was curtains. He went over on his neck, didn't he, and so many don't get up after a fall l ike that.
 

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I creid like a baby when Cyrname got up. When Harry Cobden and the head girl, whos' name escapes me, were walking back I thought it was curtains. He went over on his neck, didn't he, and so many don't get up after a fall l ike that.

I was convinced he was gone, I was tearful when he was behind the screens and even more tearful when he walked back!
 
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Arthur was found to have a fibrilating heart post race. He never really travelled or jumped as he should and this would explain it. He will be fine, we have some of the best heart specialists in the country in Edinburgh.

Funnily enough we had another horse, another Milan do exactly the same thing at Haydock on bottomless ground a few years ago. He bounced back better than ever.
 

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The statistics for horses coming back and winning again after bottoming themselves to win the Grand National are pretty poor. Except Tiger Roll!
Well I hope Arthur makes a full recovery but has his heart been causing problems since he won? Or has he just been lacklustre and now this has happened?
 
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He's never had issues with it before no. He ran well at Aintree in December he just lacks the pace of 3 milers now and needs a good 4miles. He is usually only just getting going at 3m. In the Becher he was staying on well until a mistake at the last or 2nd last - I can't remember which now - cost him 10l but he picked himself up and galloped on again. He is not a spent force yet. But we will see what happens next.

Eta - he also ran well in the National last year despite never finishing a race that season which told at the end - lack of a proper finish sent him from 4th to 6th just after the elbow.
 

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Lets not forget Traffic Fluide, he ran an amazing and brave race which ended in a horrid fall that could easily have killed him. Both he and Cyrname were punch drunk when they attempted to jump the last.

It will never happen because of betting and sizable prize money but I really wish the jockeys could stop a horse when it gets to the state of exhaustion that we are seeing this season due to ground conditions. I love NH racing but there have been some very ugly finishes this year. There is no pleasure in seeing bold, brave horses taking exhausted falls or staggering over the finishing line. Just the same as watching a world champion event rider thrashing a tired horse. It is unacceptable to the general public and does the sport no good at all.
 

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I admit to being a little choked when he appeared from behind the screens. Both the fallers were going nowhere at the last fence.

There was a fatality Alsa Mix ?
A lot of people think traffic Fluide would have won, he was probably no more tired than the winner. We will never know but it’s not right to say he was going nowhere.
 

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That's the problem with racing - if the horse is up there in with half a chance the jockey has to take it. They would be punished for not trying and the public would go mental. But the flip side of that is the horse falls, injures itself or dies and the public go mental at the jockey. They can't win.

Exactly and that is why I said it will never happen. Racing is commercial, for profit and for gain. £8,000 for 4th place and no doubt if either of the fallers had stood up they would have to be ridden out to the line even if they were walking. The stewards can and do on occasion penalise a jockey for pushing an exhausted horse. It is subjective, what one person considers a knackered horse might be viewed differently by someone else. It just saddens me to see horses take heavy falls due to tiredness. Horses are such giving generous animals, perhaps they need a little more respect when they have given their all and perhaps the betting people should allow the jockey to make a judgement call if necessary.

There is one thing for sure, had Cyrname been killed today, the jockey would now be being lambasted for not stopping him. Like you said they can't win.
 

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I also love Traffic Fluide, I backed him today despite his long lay off and I did think he was in with a good chance when he came down.
So pleased to see them both up!
 

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Exactly and that is why I said it will never happen. Racing is commercial, for profit and for gain. £8,000 for 4th place and no doubt if either of the fallers had stood up they would have to be ridden out to the line even if they were walking. The stewards can and do on occasion penalise a jockey for pushing an exhausted horse. It is subjective, what one person considers a knackered horse might be viewed differently by someone else. It just saddens me to see horses take heavy falls due to tiredness. Horses are such giving generous animals, perhaps they need a little more respect when they have given their all and perhaps the betting people should allow the jockey to make a judgement call if necessary.

There is one thing for sure, had Cyrname been killed today, the jockey would now be being lambasted for not stopping him. Like you said they can't win.
I see the race differently as do a lot of others including the betting that was going on ! All the horses were tired, they are all experienced chasers and it’s just unfortunate that two of them fell at the last. I don’t blame either jockey for not pulling up anymore than I blame the two who finished for carrying on. It was the last fence, different if there are more to jump and 9 times out of 10 all of them would have finished. Let’s just be happy that everyone lives to fight another day instead.
 

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I see the race differently as do a lot of others including the betting that was going on ! All the horses were tired, they are all experienced chasers and it’s just unfortunate that two of them fell at the last. I don’t blame either jockey for not pulling up anymore than I blame the two who finished for carrying on. It was the last fence, different if there are more to jump and 9 times out of 10 all of them would have finished. Let’s just be happy that everyone lives to fight another day instead.

My comments did not blame anyone and I am happy the pair got up. The grey mare didn't and a good flat horse didn't return to his stable today. I merely made a comment on how genuine racehorses are and there is no doubt Cyrname and Traffic Fluide are both lucky to be in their stables tonight.
 

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My comments did not blame anyone and I am happy the pair got up. The grey mare didn't and a good flat horse didn't return to his stable today. I merely made a comment on how genuine racehorses are and there is no doubt Cyrname and Traffic Fluide are both lucky to be in their stables tonight.

the prob is they are such healthy beauties who are so genuine, if you ride a tired horse into the last fence in an unbalanced, kicking on mode incoordination is going to happen, add to that the terrible going, as verified by ap mcCoy and you have a recipe for disaster, add to the that a huge thoroughbred with legs of glass you are inviting disaster

i feel for cyrname he looked shattered, i feel there is no way round all this, either you do it and the horses pay the price or you stop it altogether, bit like bull fighting etc

one thing i am certain of, i would not put any of my horses in that place where the odds are against them coming home. the last two weekends have been big storms the ground is terrible, too deep.
 
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