D&H Surelimb discontinued! Help!!!!

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Just nipped down to my feed merchant to be told the above!

Not happy. I have brood mares and foals and have been feeding this supplement for years. It has been replaced by another product called Performance mix or something like that anyway. It is supposed to be exactly the same thing as surelimb but in pellet form.

Well it's not. It has half the calcuim of surelimb and significantly less folic acid, and that's just what I can remember from looking at the packet.

I managed to buy the last tub of surelimb in the whole world, and it was 4 months out of date!

Can anyone recommend a good supplement for my neds. They are just mares and foals. Mare is a bit footy when the ground is soggy and has suspected ulcers. (that's another story)

Currently they get

Just grass
charnwood milling linseed meal
speedi beet
Surelimb
Brewers yeast
a little mag ox - poss un neccesary, I just bunged that in to see if it helped with the footyness.

I did look into pro hoof, but it was a tenner more and the calcium seemed a bit low for growing babies........?

Here's the analysis of surelimb for the barefoot geeks! (whose opinion I value muchly) :)

Sorry it's all strung out, it's just how it copied accross.

Ingredients



Minerals: Dicalcium Phosphate, Sodium Chloride, Magnesium Oxide, Calcium

Carbonate



Cereals: Maize



Other: Lysine HCL, Methionine



Fruits: Blackcurrant Extract



Herbs: Curcumin, Rosemary Extract



Nutrient Analysis



PROTEIN 7.0% ASH 68.0%

L LYSINE 4.0% DL METHIONINE 2.4%




Per kg
Per 50ml (50g) scoop

Calcium
140g (14.0%)
7g

Phosphorus
80g (8.0%)
4g

Magnesium
24g (2.4%)
1.2g

Salt
160g (16.0%)
8g

Sodium
64g (6.4%)
3.2g

Vitamin A
480,000mg
24,000mg

Vitamin D3
64,000mg
3,200mg

Vitamin E
8,430mg
421.5mg

Vitamin C
8g
0.4g

Vitamin B1
200mg
10mg

Vitamin B2
200mg
10mg

Vitamin B6
200mg
10mg

Vitamin B12
8mg
0.4mg

Vitamin K
40mg
2mg

Biotin
12mg
0.6mg

Pantothenic acid
400mg
20mg

Nicotinic acid
640mg
32mg

Folic acid
320mg
16mg

Choline Chloride
4,000mg
200mg

Cobalt
16mg
0.8mg

Copper
1,200 mg
60mg

Iron
1,600mg
80mg

Manganese
2,400mg
120mg

Selenium
16mg
0.8mg

Zinc
3,200mg
160mg

Iodine
16mg
0.8mg
 
OMG! WHY??!

Seems very odd! I fed Naf Youngstock supplement before... don't know if thats any good for you? when I was researching supps to provide my filly with all the things she needed in the correct ratios, that one was one that seemed the best... she had physitis and OCD so I had to be very careful...

Otherwise I quite like equivite original as a good all round supplement... maybe add limestone flour for the added calcium?

let us know how you get on
 
Oh, and the new supplement is for fast growing youngstock (mine are warmbloods so speedy growth is not what I want to encourage) and it contains alfalfa, rosemary, blackcurrent, beetroot, rosehip.............. all sorts of things out horses evolved in the wild to eat...... :s

Dod and hod seem to have stopped making supplements for non TB non beetroot eating horses!

Beetroot ffs!
 
AdorableAlice said:
What ! where are you ? I bought a pot 2 weeks ago in the Midlands.
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It's gonna be the last pot you buy!! :)

Seriously, if you like the product, you need to get your hands on every last tub to give you time to research what to feed next, because despite what Dod and hod say, the new performance supplement is not a replacement for surelimb.

It's also more expensive, 3.5kgs for the price of 5kgs of surelimb. It smells nice though if that helps!

I am going to email d&h for the data sheet. I will post the exact list of ingredients on this thread when it comes through.....
 
AdorableAlice said:
It's still on D and H website ?
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Is it? I can't find it on there? I clicked on all the products under the herbs and supplements range and it isn't there.

They are revamping their whole range, surelimb isn't the only casualty. The new products are in shiny new blue tubs now too.

It's definately being discontinued, my feed merchant had the d&h rep round the other day, so if it is still on the website, it won't be for long.
 
Wonderful. Any idea what else I can give my 9 month old RID x Irish cob foal then ? She is in a going up rather than out phase at the moment, 14.3h.

She is on adlib good haylage, sparse grazing and D&H Suregrow at half measure. I have been advised not to let her get heavy, so the SureLimb/Suregrow mix and haylage was working a treat. I have plenty of grass but it would be too good for non TB horses. The horses will follow the cattle when the cows have taken it down.

I don't know what she is going to be, possibly a maxi cob or a hunter. Dam is only 15h but very deep with possibly a touch of Shire in her and sire is 16.3 top end of middleweight RID. At the moment she is looking more hunter than cob.

What are you going to use ?
 
If you want calcium - then limestone flour is cheap as chips.

I have to say that no one (that I am aware of) has had a forage analysis done in the UK that has indicated anything other than high levels of calcium.

That's why the Pro Hoof isn't as high as you'd like - it's trying to mimic the common trends in UK grazing.

My forage is very high in calcium (so I can't use alfalfa or limestone flour) but it's set to a high phos level, so it's balanced that way. I just have to increase my magnesium, copper and zinc intake to 'jump' over them both, so my horses can access the other minerals properly.
 
Oberon said:
If you want calcium - then limestone flour is cheap as chips.

I have to say that no one (that I am aware of) has had a forage analysis done in the UK that has indicated anything other than high levels of calcium.

That's why the Pro Hoof isn't as high as you'd like - it's trying to mimic the common trends in UK grazing.

My forage is very high in calcium (so I can't use alfalfa or limestone flour) but it's set to a high phos level, so it's balanced that way. I just have to increase my magnesium, copper and zinc intake to 'jump' over them both, so my horses can access the other minerals properly.
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Yes, it might be worth dropping Pro Earth an email. I was interested in the pro hoof anyway, and I could probably drop the mag ox and the brewers yeast if I fed that as it has Yea Sacc in (I think??)

Who do you use to get your grazing analysed? I take my own hay off my land, so it would be interesting to see what the calcium levels are. It's clay soil and holds the nutrients well, but I haven't limed it in 20 years.
 
Why don't you just add limestone flour? It's what we used to add to the straights when feeding breeding and growing stock in the olden days. Sugar beet is a good source of calcium, too.

As far as I know folate deficiency is unlikely in horses (see here http://www.understanding-horse-nutrition.com/folic-acid.html) so I wouldn't worry unduly in this regard. In spring, summer and autumn your stock will (I assume) have access to fresh grass which will provide the necessary amounts of folate to meet their requirements. And the Just Grass you're feeding should provide some supplementation.

Bummer about Surelimb being discontinued for a pelleted substitute though. It's so annoying when a popular and trusted product is withdrawn without notice. :rolleyes:
 
For those that are interested, here is the data sheet for perform. I had an email from D&H to say that it was nutritionally the same product. I am having trouble getting my head round that as every value is different. Just as an example the calcium content was double the amount in Surelimb than the new Perform.
Also, on D&H's website, it says perform is suitable for fast growing youngstock. Well mine are warmbloods.....

Anyway, make of it what you will, but I am not sure the claim that it is the same product as surelimb in pelleted form is particularly correct. I have asked for more info, so we shall see....

PERFORMANCE VITAMINS & MINERALS This datasheet is correct as of: 09-Jan-12
Crude Protein 11.0%
Crude Oils & Fats 2.5%
Crude Fibre 12.0%
Crude Ash 34.5%
Estimated Digestible Energy 6 MJ/kg
Sodium 2.0%
Lysine 18
Copper 1,175
Starch 1.5%
Sugar 4.5%
Calcium 7.5%
Phosphorus 2.5%
Biotin 18.5
Selenium 14
Alfalfa, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Mint, Basil, Rape Oil, Blackcurrant, Kale, Spinach, Beetroot, Rosemary, Oregano,
Rosehips
Feed 35g/100kg bodyweight per day to youngstock and 25g/100kg bodyweight to broodmares

Composition
General Analysis
Feeding Guide
Magnesium 1.2%
Salt 5.3%
Potassium 0.9%
Methionine 11
Sulphur 0.1%
Vitamin A 644,000 iu/kg
Vitamin D3 66,500 iu/kg
Vitamin E 9,100 mg/kg
Vitamin B2 500 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 1.9 mg/kg
Vitamin K 125 mg/kg
Pantothenic Acid 775 mg/kg
Nicotinic Acid 2,100 mg/kg
Folic Acid 200 mg/kg
Choline Chloride 13,400 mg/kg
Cobalt 4.2 mg/kg
Iron 2,300
Manganese 2,500 mg/kg
Zinc 5,750 mg/kg
Iodine 33 mg/kg



Scoop enclosed = 100ml
If feeding less than the recommended amounts of a concentrate feed, adjust the levels of Performance Vitamins &
Minerals accordingly or contact our Helpline for advice. Do not exceed the recommended feeding guide without
consulting Dodson & Horrell or your veterinarian.
A complete 'top-up' of vitamins and minerals for competition and breeding horses
Vitamin B1 475
Vitamin B6 315
mg/kg
mg/kg
Additives Information
Pack sizes 3.5kg, 20kg
Shelf life 12 months


Iron sulphate monohydrate 7,720 mg/kg
Cupric sulphate pentahydrate 3,550 mg/kg
Copper chelate of amino acids hydrate 2,650 mg/kg
Manganous oxide 3,550 mg/kg
Zinc oxide 3,300 mg/kg
Zinc chelate of amino acids hydrate 10,700 mg/ kg
Sodium selenite 1.5 mg/kg
Selenium enriched yeast 155 mg/kg
Vitamin C 5,000 mg/kg
Calcium iodate 15 mg/kg
Manganese chelate of amino acids hydrate 2,650 mg/kg

Zinc sulphate monohydrate 5,700 mg/kg
Mixed tocopherols 1,400mg/kg mg/kg
 
And does this new product contain stupid fricking soya? Because I will really lose the plot then.

I chose this specifically because every other vit and min supp had soya in it. I hate the crap and it's in everything. Came out about the time horses could no longer eat grass, Peroglide, soaked hay and dry lot for life.

Anyway, ranting. Also I could get the stuff in Ireland and not much else is available to me.

Terri
 
These are the ingredients in the new product

Alfalfa, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Mint, Basil, Rape Oil, Blackcurrant, Kale, Spinach, Beetroot, Rosemary, Oregano,
Rosehips

As beetroot, kale and and blackcurrents are not what my horse evolved to eat, I shan't be rushing out for this product!
No soya though!!
 
RiderLizzie said:
What about... http://www.naf-equine.eu/uk/products/productDetail.jsp?detail_id=mare-foal--youngstock
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Thanks for the link. I am trying to find products that only contain fillers that horses eat naturally. The one above has all sorts of bits in that aren't.

I know they are only in tiny quantities, and after much grumping I put up with surelimb, but it does have maize in it.

I am going to use the pro earth products from now on I think, it might cost more but I think it will be worth it in the long run.
 
Miss L Toe said:
I fed D and H Mare and Youngstock to my mare and foal [unplanned pregnancy] it seems to provide all essential vitamins and minerals, is palatable and easy to feed, I add a bit to my ridden horse's diet, seems good value.
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This has too much mollases and cereals in for me
 
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