alleycat
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Can anyone tell me anything about this stallion?
Dallas Van Overis
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seabiscuit
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Seen a video of him; not my type really!
alleycat
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Why- what's up with him?
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Bossanova
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Doesnt look to have as good a natural balance and athleticism as many I've seen.
I think you can find better
I think you can find better
Faithkat
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He's owned by Ken Rehill who posts on here. . . . .
koeffee
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there is nothing wrong with him, the clip from youtube shows a balanced and ridable horse in my opinion, he is very much a darco build and i think he may come into himself in a couple of years. bloodline wise if you want to breed a jumper/alrounder you have a good chance at a very good price.
Why- what's up with him?
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there is nothing wrong with him, the clip from youtube shows a balanced and ridable horse in my opinion, he is very much a darco build and i think he may come into himself in a couple of years. bloodline wise if you want to breed a jumper/alrounder you have a good chance at a very good price.
firm
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He does take the Darco side, no bad thing
and he also in that video looks quite like a traditional 3/4 bred ID
I would cross him with a lighter mare but I think I would use a more proven performer like Coolcorron Cool Diamond or Chippison if I was looking for that type of horse
magic104
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Problem is CCD's stud fee is 3 times this one, unless they have dropped it. I live in hope that his ability has skipped a generation!
southsidestud
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def the build of darco! takes after his father then i dont think d~ van~Overis is very old is he? the overis have bred lots of good horses im sure this one isnt a exception
koeffee
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he is only four or five?? still a baby.
dannydunne
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Ladyfresha1
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He is rather big in the shoulder and small behind - rather like one of my mares but he doesn't look like he has really matured into himself yet. His bloodlines are good, and his stud fee isn't massive, worth a punt maybe? Depends on your mare, I wouldn't use him myself as my mare is very similar to him in what I mentioned above. Maybe want until he has something on the ground. The proof is in the pudding after all!
I wouldn't dismiss him just yet. See what he can do first.
I wouldn't dismiss him just yet. See what he can do first.
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iv yet to see a darco baby / relation that doesnt jump. i have a chestnut 3yo mare by turbo (darco). i wouldnt swop her for the world! oh, and her damsire is concorde too! and they are all nice people. in fact, if youve got one you dont want........!! im sure i can fit an extra one in somewhere! all i will say tho is they are at their best later on.
alleycat
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Thanks very much, everyone. Very useful to have so much feedback and it has confirmed a lot of what I was thinking.
I saw this horse on Ken's website and didn't know what to make of him. I wondered if there was anything I was missing that made him special and which I wasn't seeing.
He's basically just a young hopeful, isn't he; a horse being campaigned on the hope that he is going to live up to his breeding and be as good as his famous relatives, standing at a knockdown price to attract the sort of mares he desperately needs to show he can make it as a stallion.
What threw me is that Ken has so many times on here stated that he is only interested in proven world class horses & that it is pointless breeding from anything else; the outlay is just a waste of money- and has gone on to treat other people's hopes & young hopefuls with such withering contempt, that it comes as a surprise to see him promoting such a horse himself. There again, if Ken was going to promote a youngster- let alone buy one- (assuming it is his own?)- I would have expected him to have invested in a more obvious (& marketable) athlete; so I wondered what I wasn't seeing. Whatever it is, plenty of others aren't seeing it either, so I'm still mystified but relieved that my eye isn't so far out.
The suggestion that this horse would suit TB mares caused me a bit of disbelief as well, especially after all that has recently been said on the subject. Whilst a TB would leaven the lump, so to speak, it wouldn't shape up the jump, would it? Wouldn't this horse actually suit a quality warmblood, if anything?
It'll be interesting to see whether he does shape up as he matures, or what he gets if mare owners do decide the low price is worth the risk.
I saw this horse on Ken's website and didn't know what to make of him. I wondered if there was anything I was missing that made him special and which I wasn't seeing.
He's basically just a young hopeful, isn't he; a horse being campaigned on the hope that he is going to live up to his breeding and be as good as his famous relatives, standing at a knockdown price to attract the sort of mares he desperately needs to show he can make it as a stallion.
What threw me is that Ken has so many times on here stated that he is only interested in proven world class horses & that it is pointless breeding from anything else; the outlay is just a waste of money- and has gone on to treat other people's hopes & young hopefuls with such withering contempt, that it comes as a surprise to see him promoting such a horse himself. There again, if Ken was going to promote a youngster- let alone buy one- (assuming it is his own?)- I would have expected him to have invested in a more obvious (& marketable) athlete; so I wondered what I wasn't seeing. Whatever it is, plenty of others aren't seeing it either, so I'm still mystified but relieved that my eye isn't so far out.
The suggestion that this horse would suit TB mares caused me a bit of disbelief as well, especially after all that has recently been said on the subject. Whilst a TB would leaven the lump, so to speak, it wouldn't shape up the jump, would it? Wouldn't this horse actually suit a quality warmblood, if anything?
It'll be interesting to see whether he does shape up as he matures, or what he gets if mare owners do decide the low price is worth the risk.
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his bloodlines are excellent, so i wouldnt knock him on that. he SHOULD have a world class jump, but you never know! yes, he may be young, lets wait and see what he does this winter season, it might be his making. darco babies, although very rideable, can be sharp, so they are often left un-pressured early on, so their brains arent blown (hope that makes sense!) he looks fairly switched on on the videos, but doesnt look unmanageable. i like him. at least he is going not whoaing, around decent tracks for a 5yo!
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btw, he looks the sort of horse that might be completely different if you put the fences up another foot. anyone got a link to him jumpin a bit bigger? he looks like hes just playing with those.
alleycat
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Interesting- if you're right & this horse will improve in another year, say, and he's 5 now, I wonder how many have been gelded too soon through lack of precocity at gradings, etc.?
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too many!
but i guess if we want horses to compete, waiting for another couple of years may / could be financially non viable? although i would be happy if i had a better horse in the end.
what do others think?
i know some lines are notorious for maturing late, my 2yo cathargo bred colt looks like an 18month old still!! but if he looks 10 when he is 20 i wont be moaning!!!
my colt is going for grading next week, im looking forward to it BUT concerned as -
he is small still! (15hands)
he looks immature
he moves and jumps immature (though you get glimpses of his real potential)
although, i have been advised to take him still as the graders will understand at his age (i hope so! fingers crossed)
you never know. ill post an update when we get back. im hoping he will be ok. he hasnt been out of the top 2 this year sport horse classes and has stood overall reserve champion at county level, but maybe they wont like him! i do
so some one loves him!
but i guess if we want horses to compete, waiting for another couple of years may / could be financially non viable? although i would be happy if i had a better horse in the end.
what do others think?
i know some lines are notorious for maturing late, my 2yo cathargo bred colt looks like an 18month old still!! but if he looks 10 when he is 20 i wont be moaning!!!
my colt is going for grading next week, im looking forward to it BUT concerned as -
he is small still! (15hands)
he looks immature
he moves and jumps immature (though you get glimpses of his real potential)
although, i have been advised to take him still as the graders will understand at his age (i hope so! fingers crossed)
you never know. ill post an update when we get back. im hoping he will be ok. he hasnt been out of the top 2 this year sport horse classes and has stood overall reserve champion at county level, but maybe they wont like him! i do
so some one loves him!dannydunne
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What threw me is that Ken has so many times on here stated that he is only interested in proven world class horses & that it is pointless breeding from anything else; the outlay is just a waste of money- and has gone on to treat other people's hopes & young hopefuls with such withering contempt, that it comes as a surprise to see him promoting such a horse himself.
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ken is focused on proven world class horses because thats what sells at the end of the day and it is what interests ken. he is also very passionate about breeding olympic prospects and helping britain achieve this. of course it would be a waste of money and alot of hard work promoting young stallions unless.... you have the set up to do it yourself and a large client base who buy semem from you? so it would be silly for ken not to really!
all top stallions have to come from some where so ken is just trying to find the next one and is offering his semen to his clients in an attempt to build up a good reputation. i've never heard ken promoting dallas, in fact quite the opposite especially when it comes to british mares. thats when ken likes us to use tried and tested stallions (like corofino) as he knows we are playing a catch up game over here and is looking out for british breeders (probably why he got the grannus semen, to offer us something proven that has done the job in the past). when dallas is proven and has offspring to show then more people will use him but now he offers an alternative to people with a lower budget but wanting to use a quality well bred stallion showing potential. he also allows people to experiment with their mares and see what types truely suit him although i expect that will happen on the continent more therefore allowing us to learn and make better decisions on what mares we use with him.
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I would have expected him to have invested in a more obvious (& marketable) athlete
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like what? darco x concorde x calando seems very commercial mix and he is nice type. ken is based in france where not everything is dominated by the german breeds and the mares can have a lot of blood so a heaver stallion makes sense surely? ken has clients in america where they have lighter types so dallas would work well with those mares who dont need refining, infact most of the stallions on kens list are blood types so dallas offers something different in terms of build for the breeders.
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Whilst a TB would leaven the lump, so to speak, it wouldn't shape up the jump, would it?
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it depends on the mare
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Wouldn't this horse actually suit a quality warmblood, if anything?
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it says something similar to that on kens site.
i expect if ken was here now he'd stick up for his boy but i'd bet on him telling us to stick with the likes of corofino unless our budgets stop us. if you think about it, it could do dallas more harm in the long run being used over here on lots of below standard mares producing below standard foals.
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I wonder how many have been gelded too soon through lack of precocity at gradings, etc.?
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way too many i wouldn't want to guess but some of todays legendary stallions failed gradings or didn't impress breeders and were nearly cut. thats why the geographic location is so important... 2 famous examples are cor de la bryere in france who didn't suit the french mares but when he moved to holstein he was complete success and now appears in 70% of all holstein horses pedigrees. the other is voltaire who failed the grading in oldenburg but was purchased by jan greve who took him to holland and he proved to be one best things for dutch breeders.
What threw me is that Ken has so many times on here stated that he is only interested in proven world class horses & that it is pointless breeding from anything else; the outlay is just a waste of money- and has gone on to treat other people's hopes & young hopefuls with such withering contempt, that it comes as a surprise to see him promoting such a horse himself.
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ken is focused on proven world class horses because thats what sells at the end of the day and it is what interests ken. he is also very passionate about breeding olympic prospects and helping britain achieve this. of course it would be a waste of money and alot of hard work promoting young stallions unless.... you have the set up to do it yourself and a large client base who buy semem from you? so it would be silly for ken not to really!
all top stallions have to come from some where so ken is just trying to find the next one and is offering his semen to his clients in an attempt to build up a good reputation. i've never heard ken promoting dallas, in fact quite the opposite especially when it comes to british mares. thats when ken likes us to use tried and tested stallions (like corofino) as he knows we are playing a catch up game over here and is looking out for british breeders (probably why he got the grannus semen, to offer us something proven that has done the job in the past). when dallas is proven and has offspring to show then more people will use him but now he offers an alternative to people with a lower budget but wanting to use a quality well bred stallion showing potential. he also allows people to experiment with their mares and see what types truely suit him although i expect that will happen on the continent more therefore allowing us to learn and make better decisions on what mares we use with him.
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I would have expected him to have invested in a more obvious (& marketable) athlete
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like what? darco x concorde x calando seems very commercial mix and he is nice type. ken is based in france where not everything is dominated by the german breeds and the mares can have a lot of blood so a heaver stallion makes sense surely? ken has clients in america where they have lighter types so dallas would work well with those mares who dont need refining, infact most of the stallions on kens list are blood types so dallas offers something different in terms of build for the breeders.
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Whilst a TB would leaven the lump, so to speak, it wouldn't shape up the jump, would it?
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it depends on the mare
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Wouldn't this horse actually suit a quality warmblood, if anything?
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it says something similar to that on kens site.
i expect if ken was here now he'd stick up for his boy but i'd bet on him telling us to stick with the likes of corofino unless our budgets stop us. if you think about it, it could do dallas more harm in the long run being used over here on lots of below standard mares producing below standard foals.
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I wonder how many have been gelded too soon through lack of precocity at gradings, etc.?
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way too many i wouldn't want to guess but some of todays legendary stallions failed gradings or didn't impress breeders and were nearly cut. thats why the geographic location is so important... 2 famous examples are cor de la bryere in france who didn't suit the french mares but when he moved to holstein he was complete success and now appears in 70% of all holstein horses pedigrees. the other is voltaire who failed the grading in oldenburg but was purchased by jan greve who took him to holland and he proved to be one best things for dutch breeders.
Bossanova
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Why is this about Ken all of a sudden?
He acts as an agent for his semen- he doesnt own, breed or compete the horse.....
He acts as an agent for his semen- he doesnt own, breed or compete the horse.....
machannah
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If its the horse im thinking of (silly computer wont work this morning), he really didnt sparkle for me. Pretty sure on the DVD i saw i actually rated it last (personal preference) against everything else i saw. I realise its a big horse, but didnt look athletic enough for me, and dependant on the mare - far too heavy.
The one i really loved from FS was Calypso D'Herbiers
The one i really loved from FS was Calypso D'Herbiers
Faithkat
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Some time ago there was a post about stallions and stud fees. At the time I had been doing some web searching for a possible future stallion for my filly and found Dallas Van Overis. Completely innocently I mentioned him in that post and said what a bargain he was at 350 Euros. I received a very nice PM from Ken telling me all about him and that he owns him too. We had quite a long PM conversation about him . . . .
alleycat
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all top stallions have to come from some where so ken is just trying to find the next one and is offering his semen to his clients in an attempt to build up a good reputation.
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Agree- this is fair enough- & I would say good luck to anyone who wants to invest the time & money & hope into taking their young horse as far as they can. We surely need promising young horses to come forward. However, Ken has always been very set against this when replying to anyone posting on here, though- as is now apparent- quite keen to do it himself.
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i've never heard ken promoting dallas, in fact quite the opposite especially when it comes to british mares.
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I checked back on his website; he actually recommends the horse for the "lighter type of pretty blood mare"- I was obviously wrong to read that as TB- it could equally well apply to a light warmblood- but he then goes on to comment- "Perfect for the UK and US". So this horse IS being aimed at the UK market. Just to keep the record straight, isn't this the horse that Ken mentioned on this forum as having Olympic connections?
Obviously the bloodlines are good- though I would have thought we are actually quite well off for these bloodlines- and can surely also access them by AI from proven sires if we so wish. Rather ironically, Foxfolly, who got such a slagging from Ken a few weeks ago for considering a similar venture- standing a young stallion at the start of his career- has a young horse of Darco lines.
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I suspect he is- or was when I first asked for information-see "britbreeder!"
The precocity thing is worrying; on the one hand we're telling breeders & stallion owners to know when they're beat & give up- (as in "You're barn-blind- it's failed!") & on the other we're reliant on them having the courage of their convictions to see their youngsters through their ugly stages into maturity.
How long does this take? I would have said that most of mine have been mature at 5 though I had one mare who definately didn't mature until she was 6. At 5 she had a broad breast & pin-like legs, & I thought "oh dear!- so this is it." Within the next few months her whole frame seemed to fill out & strengthen, and at 6 she was a different horse.
It must take a lot of nerve, foresight and self-assurance to promote a young horse at all, all credit to those who go through with it.
edited to say- come on, spill the beans, Forester; whats the inside information on Dallas v. O.?
all top stallions have to come from some where so ken is just trying to find the next one and is offering his semen to his clients in an attempt to build up a good reputation.
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Agree- this is fair enough- & I would say good luck to anyone who wants to invest the time & money & hope into taking their young horse as far as they can. We surely need promising young horses to come forward. However, Ken has always been very set against this when replying to anyone posting on here, though- as is now apparent- quite keen to do it himself.
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i've never heard ken promoting dallas, in fact quite the opposite especially when it comes to british mares.
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I checked back on his website; he actually recommends the horse for the "lighter type of pretty blood mare"- I was obviously wrong to read that as TB- it could equally well apply to a light warmblood- but he then goes on to comment- "Perfect for the UK and US". So this horse IS being aimed at the UK market. Just to keep the record straight, isn't this the horse that Ken mentioned on this forum as having Olympic connections?
Obviously the bloodlines are good- though I would have thought we are actually quite well off for these bloodlines- and can surely also access them by AI from proven sires if we so wish. Rather ironically, Foxfolly, who got such a slagging from Ken a few weeks ago for considering a similar venture- standing a young stallion at the start of his career- has a young horse of Darco lines.
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i expect if ken was here now
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I suspect he is- or was when I first asked for information-see "britbreeder!"
The precocity thing is worrying; on the one hand we're telling breeders & stallion owners to know when they're beat & give up- (as in "You're barn-blind- it's failed!") & on the other we're reliant on them having the courage of their convictions to see their youngsters through their ugly stages into maturity.
How long does this take? I would have said that most of mine have been mature at 5 though I had one mare who definately didn't mature until she was 6. At 5 she had a broad breast & pin-like legs, & I thought "oh dear!- so this is it." Within the next few months her whole frame seemed to fill out & strengthen, and at 6 she was a different horse.
It must take a lot of nerve, foresight and self-assurance to promote a young horse at all, all credit to those who go through with it.
edited to say- come on, spill the beans, Forester; whats the inside information on Dallas v. O.?
Faithkat
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There aren't any beans to spill, I'm afraid. Ken was very flattered that I liked D V O and asked me to send him the details of my filly's breeding; he reckoned that D V O would go quite well with her as she has a fair amount of TB. He says that the stallion suits the lighter TB-type. Apparently D V O has a few foals on the ground this year including at least one in NZ but more than that I do not know. Apart from saying that anything with Darco in his lines is good for me!!
koeffee
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i had the chance to us him this year but it was getting late, i wish i had taken him up on it now, he would suit my kwpn mare, very bloody in type, just wish my vet was experienced in frozen
cruiseline
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I actually like this stallion, I feel that there are more than a few competition mares, and stallions, out there now that are quite noticeably lacking substance and power.
There were many on this forum that commented on how nice Cumano was at the Olympics, me included, he is awesome, but he is one hell of a substantial, powerful horse. I wonder what his bone measures!!!
At 5 years old, I can't see anything that DVO has done wrong to warrant anyone discrediting him at this stage as a potential future stallion.
I think that it will not be long before we see many more of this type of horse being reintroduced into the sports horse breeding programmes to pump the substance and power back in that is being lost.
JanetGeorge, there's hope yet!!!!!!!
There were many on this forum that commented on how nice Cumano was at the Olympics, me included, he is awesome, but he is one hell of a substantial, powerful horse. I wonder what his bone measures!!!
At 5 years old, I can't see anything that DVO has done wrong to warrant anyone discrediting him at this stage as a potential future stallion.
I think that it will not be long before we see many more of this type of horse being reintroduced into the sports horse breeding programmes to pump the substance and power back in that is being lost.
JanetGeorge, there's hope yet!!!!!!!
southsidestud
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yes i agree cruiseline this horse is only a 5 year old hes a baby i think if anyone had negative views on him( if) then they could air them but i think gve the horse time at least another 2 years if not more see what you all think when hes a ten year old! hes still very young hard to make real judgement im a real Darco fan and i cant remember what his stud fee is ? but if i remember its not dear at all im sure its worth a gamble for many :}
southsidestud
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actually just had to have a nose @ the stud fee jesus its not a lot £350 euros whats that in british pounds? £260?? roughly with LFG how bads that i think for the breeder who wants a foal with good lines how can you go wrong surely ? this isnt dear