Dam and sire height what do you think ?

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Hi everyone,


i got a comment from one of my fellow liveries which i found alittle strange and upsetting .


First she was saying that my horse was going to be huge currently 14.3hh rising 3 welsh setion D X andalusian PRE ( which I'll point out now she reckoned from eye she was 15hh ) She then continued to ask me what i wanted her to make. I told her that as i was told by the man that bred her That he reckoned she'd make about 15.2hh going on the fact that her dam was around 14.2 14.3hh and Sire 15.2 -15.3hh.

In which i was then qutie rudely told that, that was of **** and that i should sell her because she wasn't going to what i wanted....


All from a lady that i didn't even what to start a conversation with who just started giving me advice i didn't want :(


From what i have learned from the times ive spend on many yards over around 6 years I always thought that the dam and sire height was taken into consideration.


Clearly not...
 
Your horse is VERY likely to make between the Dam and Sire height. And to be honest so what if it gets bigger, they dont tax them more if they go over a certain height :D

Oh and you were far too polite ... next time just smile and walk away without saying anything.
 
She could finish up at 15.2 equally she could be a bit more or a bit less. I am sure she is lovely and if you love her she will be exactly what you want so why on earth should you sell her.
Jealousy comes to mind ignore her
 
15.2 is not huge for a Welsh section D especially crossed with a Friesian which I believe normally grows to about 15.2 anyway.
 
antw23uk It's trnage she's been fine before just rude lately thank you for your comment :)


Star_Chaser Yes I love my horse i will next time :)


Spring Feather have about 4 generations dam biggest around 14.3 if rmember rightly Sire and 15.3 was the biggest

Wind and rain thank you I wouldn't sell her even if she made huge :P


Wiz201 Friesian ?
 
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It doesn't always work out. My Appaloosa is 16hh. His dad was 16hh as well, but mum was only just over 14hh (both pure Appaloosa). Was hoping for a nice 15.2, but didn't get what we thought we would! Oh, should probably mention my horse is only 2 so still has growing to do.

But if you look back in the pedigree, mum seems to be a midget in a line of horses between 15 and 16hh. And looking at the sires other progeny, he seems to throw a lot of stock bigger than he is.

So, can't just go on height of sire and dam.
 
see my horses mum was smallish not tiny but from what iv'e seen looking through all the generations none of them are over 15.2hh see my horse when she was 2 was around 13.3 she was with a friend who was around 16 months who already was 14.3hh 15hh so i thought from that that her friend would make big and mine make smaller her gorwing has really been that noticable til measured.

aslong as she doesn't make huge 17hh :p i'm not that worried
 
Purple18 said:
Hi everyone,


i got a comment from one of my fellow liveries which i found alittle strange and upsetting .


First she was saying that my horse was going to be huge currently 14.3hh rising 3 welsh setion D X andalusian PRE ( which I'll point out now she reckoned from eye she was 15hh ) She then continued to ask me what i wanted her to make. I told her that as i was told by the man that bred her That he reckoned she'd make about 15.2hh going on the fact that her dam was around 14.2 14.3hh and Sire 15.2 -15.3hh.

In which i was then qutie rudely told that, that was of **** and that i should sell her because she wasn't going to what i wanted....


All from a lady that i didn't even what to start a conversation with who just started giving me advice i didn't want :(


From what i have learned from the times ive spend on many yards over around 6 years I always thought that the dam and sire height was taken into consideration.


Clearly not...
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I'd say that she would like the horse and wants someone to buy for her.... or she wants another horse/friend with horse on site (if you are full) and wants your space.

Can't see any other reason for banging on about it.

One of mine is smaller than both but was expected from going back further, her sister made expected height. Are you worried about it? If not, ignore :)
 
people... if they havent got anything nice to say then they should keep their mouths shut !!

bought my chap as a 3 year old - he was 15.2 and at 9 years old is now just about 16h (appy) !

I also have a Section D x (3/4 Sec D, 1/8th ID, 1/8th TB) she is roughly 15.2 poss 15.3 (18 years old).

just blank her next time !
 
Purple18 said:
Hi everyone,


i got a comment from one of my fellow liveries which i found alittle strange and upsetting .


First she was saying that my horse was going to be huge currently 14.3hh rising 3 welsh setion D X andalusian PRE ( which I'll point out now she reckoned from eye she was 15hh ) She then continued to ask me what i wanted her to make. I told her that as i was told by the man that bred her That he reckoned she'd make about 15.2hh going on the fact that her dam was around 14.2 14.3hh and Sire 15.2 -15.3hh.

In which i was then qutie rudely told that, that was of **** and that i should sell her because she wasn't going to what i wanted....


All from a lady that i didn't even what to start a conversation with who just started giving me advice i didn't want :(


From what i have learned from the times ive spend on many yards over around 6 years I always thought that the dam and sire height was taken into consideration.


Clearly not...
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My horse will be 3 on the 28th May, he is currently 15.1 on the withers and 15.3 on his bum, his dad was 16hh and his mum 15.2. So I would say mine would make 16 - 16.1..... going by that yours is alot smaller than mine, so I am guessing yours will be 15.2 ish? God ppl can be so rude, why do they interfere?
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
My horse will be 3 on the 28th May, he is currently 15.1 on the withers and 15.3 on his bum, his dad was 16hh and his mum 15.2. So I would say mine would make 16 - 16.1..... going by that yours is alot smaller than mine, so I am guessing yours will be 15.2 ish? God ppl can be so rude, why do they interfere?
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Jut learned how to muti quote bear with me :) That was my guessing I never saw her sire but did see the Dam. No idea she's only been there afew weeks was okay at first now i don't like her :P

meesha said:
people... if they havent got anything nice to say then they should keep their mouths shut !!

bought my chap as a 3 year old - he was 15.2 and at 9 years old is now just about 16h (appy) !

I also have a Section D x (3/4 Sec D, 1/8th ID, 1/8th TB) she is roughly 15.2 poss 15.3 (18 years old).

just blank her next time !
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Lol Thank you for your help :) it's a shame because people like that put me off I'm not the most confidence person in the world things like make it worse will stay out of her way from now on
 
Purple18 said:
Jut learned how to muti quote bear with me :) That was my guessing I never saw her sire but did see the Dam. No idea she's only been there afew weeks was okay at first now i don't like her :P



Lol Thank you for your help :) it's a shame because people like that put me off I'm not the most confidence person in the world things like make it worse will stay out of her way from now on
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I find alot of horsey people are jealous, even if they have lovely horses themselves, oh well just let her fight her own problems,best thing you can do is smile and agree, that usually really upsets people. Failing that just say have you finished? OK you are dismissed :D
 
PandorasJar said:
I'd say that she would like the horse and wants someone to buy for her.... or she wants another horse/friend with horse on site (if you are full) and wants your space.

Can't see any other reason for banging on about it.

One of mine is smaller than both but was expected from going back further, her sister made expected height. Are you worried about it? If not, ignore :)
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just seen this

Iv'e had quite afew money offers for her before but not from this lady , her child has a pony on the yard she's abit of a buy cheap meat marekt type stuff and sell on. i'm waiting for the offer of money for her :D


I'm not really worried but when people say stuff i tend to doubt my opinions
Devonshire dumpling said:
I find alot of horsey people are jealous, even if they have lovely horses themselves, oh well just let her fight her own problems,best thing you can do is smile and agree, that usually really upsets people. Failing that just say have you finished? OK you are dismissed :D
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Thank you :)
 
Does always work out I have a reg sec c rising 3 both parents are 13.2 and he was his dams first foal.....well his already 13.3 and not 3 until June......bin my opinion being bigger than expected is much better than smaller (had this happen to me twice both times they were both a hand off expected height at 7 :( )
 
Purple18 said:
From what i have learned from the times ive spend on many yards over around 6 years I always thought that the dam and sire height was taken into consideration.


Clearly not...
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Its a cr@pshoot... You can often be very surpised how they turn out!

In respect to what you have learned over your years on a yard, you seem to have missed a big one - Ignore unwanted comments and advice with a smile and a nod :)
 
Agree previous generations play a major part, my boy is rising 4 stands around 16.2/3 dam is 15.2 and sire is 16.1, but both dam and sire are the smallest in their family trees!!
 
Doesn't work out from that, you have to go back a few generations. My 23yr old is 14.2. Her dam was an overheight full connie, her sire was a 16hh tb, on the dams side were a range of normal height connies, sires side were all 16hh +. She's clearly a throwback to dams side. Except finer coat, mane & tail, & slightly longer in legs, neck & back, she looks full connie, & local level passes as one. The other is an 11.1. Dam was a mini, sire anyone's guess. Bit of a look of new forest, but something finer & a bit more blood. Best guess is sire was a finer show pony type, something hot blooded with a bit of new forest in there. But, although she was a tiny yearling, I put a lot of that down to malnutrition, once fed she was a late developer. But, it would have still have to have been a relatively small sire, as dam foaled alone, so I suspect size wise she's inherited more of the sires side. And while I'll never know, I suspect that first years malnutrition has stunted her somewhat. Maybe fed decently from the start she'd have made a lot bigger.
 
as long as you are happy it doesnt matter what other people think :) let it pass over your head :)

The tallest horse in Taz's blood lines is 16.3hh. his dam was 15.1hh and his sire 16.1hh and Taz stopped growing at 17.2hh so he is the tallest of his lines. his full brother is 16.3hh and his full sister is 16hh so who knows :o
 
One of my mares had a sire that was 16.2hh and a dam of 15.2hh - she's 15hh bang on.

My other mare was bred to race, sire and dam 16.2hh and she's just touching 15hh (needless to say she didn't go into racing, lucky me :) ).

My friend has a rising 4yo who she bought as a yearling expected to make 16.1hh ish based on sire and dam height - he's around 17.2hh at the moment :eek:

Like Littlelegs already said, it's worth going back further than immediate parents to see what variations might be in there and feeding as a youngster counts too.
 
Yes, I would take into account her breeding and parent's sizes but then I would also take into her age and her current size. She is RISING 3 so still has a good 4 years of growing left to do - albeit slowly... I would expect her to grow about a hand in that time so given that she is currently 14.3hh / 15hh (what is an inch in the whole scheme of things) I'd guess she would be pushing 15.3hh - 16hh when finished.

My gelding is 5 years old and stands at 17.2hh and is bum high at present (suddenly decided to have a growth spurt). his mum is apparently 17.2hh (though is smaller than him) and his dad is 16.2hh... as someone joked - what you don't know is that his grandad is 18hh (he's not) ! lol!
 
As long as she doesn't make huge i don't really care she people have said to me before she'kll make huge and others " Oh i reckon about another 2" max" we'll see what happens she seems to be growing my length wise than up at the moment she's been the size for about 4 months but as always it's hard to tell seeing her everyday

thanks everyone :)
 
Couple of ways!

Two ways I know about, one is take a measurement from mid knee to cornet band down the front of the leg, the length in inches is the height in hands.
Second one is to measure from point of elbow to ergot and pivot that around (keeping end at elbow where it is) so its going up the way above the withers.

Both have worked on my girls (yearling and fully grown mare)
 
I put my 15hh stallion to two 14 hand mares i got a 13.2 and a 14.2!

Im 5ft 2" and sister is 5ft 7" both from the same parents - how can anyone predict the exact height a youngster would make...
 
I got 16.1 hh if i did it right


how far from the elbow do you do it I did it girth sort of area just where the elbow joints the leg ?

Got some weird look from liveries doing this :P
 
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