Dangers Of Gadgets

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Really sorry about this and it mainly is a rant im afraid.
WHY WHY WHY are people who clearly have no knowledge allowed to purchase gadets for lunging and riding in?
There are a few people who i know who have bought the expensive branded gadets and they cant use them.
You see the horses go round bent the wrong way on a circle, or they have it so loose that they look like they are going to trip over it!
One person i know (classic all the gear and no idea) has one of these gadets (cost around £80) but doesnt have a lunge line so lunges with two lead ropes tied together!!!!! On the offer of borrowing a lunge line they just shrug it off saying that they can cope and not to worry!
THIS IS SCARY!!!!!
This is going to ruin classy horses that are bought with good intention but have no idea how to correctly work them!
And at shows you see people ride round in draw reins so so so tight the horses cant move, This isnt always the case and i use draw reins occasionaly as a wake up call to my mare, but in inexperienced hands can cause so much damage!
Does this happen on all yards? I havent found one yet (with the expection of proffesional yards) that it doesnt!
 
I blame the people that sell them! - but isnt everyone trying to make a living these days?

I recently bought an aid to stop our chap bucking randomly, problem being whilst I am experienced and know not to use it for jumping etc etc or have it too tight, there were absolutely NO fitting instructions or guidelines whatsoever.....

These should at least be the minimum standard I would have thought.
 
I do think that riding clubs/pony clubs could put on clinics that explain how to use certin gadgets and the safe use of them.

The best result of all would be to have some the larger shows put on demostrations at the shows so that a lot of people would benefit!
 
That's a very good idea...............Local riding clubs are always moaning about money, so why not hold a few clinics, make a little bit of money and also educate people in the use of said gadgets........

Can always remember somebody at my yard using baler twine for side reins, I was gobsmacked and very upset, didn't take long for YO to said something........
 
I completely agree with this, you shoudl get some direction as to how to use these gadgets. Its just a shame that people don't really know what they are doing but ahve seen pro's using them and think its COOL. You should never use something unless you understand the outcome you are aiming for.

But its not the people who sell thems fauklt, they are rightly just trying to make a living.

Sadly, bad riding and horsemanship is always gonna be an issue cos lessons are expensive and people have a KNOW IT ALL attitude and don't wanna listen.
 
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Sadly, bad riding and horsemanship is always gonna be an issue cos lessons are expensive and people have a KNOW IT ALL attitude and don't wanna listen.

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Yup!!
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It amazes me how some people don't blink at paying large entry fees, but baulk at paying for lessons!!
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Cosmo - completely agree.

What winds me up more than I can rant about!!
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Is when people turn up in a HUGE posh lorry and get out the most scrubby looking animal and ride it appalingly. And then have the sheer cheek to look down their noses at normal people like me who have a car and trailer, but get out a beautiful horse, ride well and beat them cos I have taken the time to have lessons.

GGGRRRRRRRR!!!
 
I was a bit confused reading your question, but Yes I do think anyone should be allowed to buy what they want and use it. This holier than thou attitude really annoys me - not all horses go in a snaffle!!! In your head you are obviously good enough to use the gadgets but do you think an outsider would have the same view of your ability as you do, and the mindset that you have equally applies to the people who you think are too rubbish to ride in a gadget.
 
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This holier than thou attitude really annoys me - not all horses go in a snaffle!!! In your head you are obviously good enough to use the gadgets but do you think an outsider would have the same view of your ability as you do, and the mindset that you have equally applies to the people who you think are too rubbish to ride in a gadget.

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I am not saying that im fantastic and know everything. I do however have my AI and have worked on a lot of top yards, but horses is something that you continue to learn throughtout life.
Its not a question of being Rubbish as you put it.
Its the horses welfare and person safety that is my biggest concern. The misuse of gadgets is dangerous to both people and animals. Many good horses can be ruined through miseducated people.
 
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Yes I do think anyone should be allowed to buy what they want and use it.

This holier than thou attitude really annoys me - not all horses go in a snaffle!!!

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I'm with you DD.

And....Not everyone's a numpty.
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.....In your head you are obviously good enough to use the gadgets but do you think an outsider would have the same view of your ability as you do, and the mindset that you have equally applies to the people who you think are too rubbish to ride in a gadget.

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good point.

But i do see where the OP is coming from in that he/she is saying that its awful to watch some people riding in gadgets and using them incorrectly and thus causing damage to their horses, ive seen this as im sure most others have too.
 
No not everything goes in a snaffle - agreed BUT this debate is not about bits - rather more about gadgets like pessoa training aids, draw reins, mkt harboroughs etc. Please correct me if I am wrong.

If people do NOT know how to use these gadgets, it will be detremenatl to the horse, its way of going and general welfare. I think if people want to use these gadgets and have never used them before they should have the gumption and honesty to ASK someone to show them how it works and how to use it to full effect!
 
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But i do see where the OP is coming from in that he/she is saying that its awful to watch some people riding in gadgets and using them incorrectly and thus causing damage to their horses, ive seen as im sure most others have.

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Yes, but it is their horse to improve or ruin as they see fit.

Don't think we can all run around imposing our opinions on others, unless the individual

a) Asks for our opinion
b) We are instructing them or
c) They are or are about to cause us/our horse harm.
 
But what about welfare of the horse?
I dont go round imposing my opinion on people, and i help and teach people regulary but it just shocks me that some people can put their horses through it.

Its a bit like men not asking for directions when they are clearly lost!
 
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Don't think we can all run around imposing our opinions on others........

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er, whereabouts was i 'running around imposing my opinion on others' then??

And let me just get this straight, so you think that gadgets used in the wrong hands is fine?
 
I think we all understand both sides to this.

One thing I would suggest perhaps is that we all speak more freely about having lessons not JUST in riding.

I've paid my instructor over the years for lessons in allsorts of things, from lunging, to long reining, to bridle fitting and mane and tail pulling.

She is not cheap and I know some have thought I was bonkers for paying her usual rate for these things!

Basically if you have an instructor you trust and you know has good all round experience (mine is an ex 4* eventer) then it is ok to pay for a lesson on the ground from time to time (be that with a gadget or otherwise)
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But what about welfare of the horse?


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If you are concerned about the welfare issue created from incorrect use of gadgets then to stop this level of abuse ou would need to ban 80% of the riding population form going anywhere near a horse. Poor riding does far more damage to a horse than sporadic incorrect use of a gadget ever will.
 
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er, whereabouts was i 'running around imposing my opinion on others' then??

And let me just get this straight, so you think that gadgets used in the wrong hands is fine?

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No. Not what I said.
 
Excellent reply Cosmo
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I wonder how many people using i gadgets incorrectly are also deficient in knowledge in other areas.

Only problem is that you can't force people to take advice or instruction, only be open to giving it when it's appropriate.
 
Cosmo_sam- That is a fantastic idea!

I was quite lucky as i went through the pony club and the BHS stages. I think that it would be hugley benficial for riding clubs etc to put on such classes so that people can learn this.

This is local riding centre to me that has lesson in double bridles, improving your position and lunging etc and i really believe that education i key to so much of this!
 
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Yes, but it is their horse to improve or ruin as they see fit

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implying that you couldnt care either way whether someone is using gadgets incorrectly or not
 
Yeah!
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Riding clubs could probably get these things much cheaper for everyone too.

I do think though it's our responsibility to let people learning know that it's ok to pay for things like this. Too often horsey types are judgemental and scary, and it's easier to struggle on than risk looking like you're admitting to being clueless!!
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Exactly. That is what I was getting at.

Is far better to remain approachable than be the person that makes someone feel silly.

Doubt very much that anyone does these things deliberately.

I think the RC do training similar to BHS stages, but for owners. Haven't often seen it available. Does anyone know about it?
 
i'm prepared to get shouted down here but really where is it a welfare issue to the horse that instead of a lunge rope they use 2 lead ropes tied together?? I know its not ideal but I cant see a huge problem with it or am I just being stupid?
 
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