Decisions, Decisions, which horses to keep.

Big Ben

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So not many of you know much about me, those who do know an overweight rider who us trying to get back to fitness and a decent riding weight. Well I have ended up in the strange position of having 3 horses that I really like, but haven't had a chance to do much with yet, due to said weight issues, all have their own issues which we are working through on the ground at the moment. Now taking away any issues of weight, and presuming me to be a fit and well matched rider to any of these what would you do?

I'm using this thread to give my things to think about, insights from the outside to consider, so think out loud please.

OK, I'm 55, rode from a child up to 30's with little formal training, could stick on and that was about it. Then had some formal English training, before switching to Western. Rode Western for a while until life events led to us losing our house, our land, the horses, and for a short time my mind as well. Several years later I find myself living in Canada, losing the weight that had accumulated while the mind was on vacation and living the dream riding my little Appy western style around the farm. Then I went for a lesson to help me get my confidence back to do the western lope, well somehow that ended in my transferring back to English and starting Dressage lessons, and having a ball. Sadly little Appy although he tried so hard was not really into it, so he has gone to be a roping horse, and I am left with a choice of three horses here to ride next year. I am very low level, intro and training, and we only have local clubs or video dressage, I live in a province several times the size of England, with less than a million inhabitants. I am not sure if I can do the three justice I was only aiming to have two.....so am umming and awwing about the future.

The Horses:

The Knight Before Christmas, AKA Big Ben.

Nearly 17hh of Tb/Perch x Saddlebred, 10 years old but only backed last year, and had 60 days at the trainers this summer. Very much a green bean, struggles to walk a straight line:p Liked the look of him first time I saw him, and when he came up for sale a year later I was in the right place at the right time to buy him. Can be a bit spooky, but is a real cuddle Bunny, and I love the way it feels to be on him, he has so much power available, but it is going to be a long journey with him.

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Emmy on Fire

15 hh Arab mare, 8 years old, and daughter of my very own Ace. I was browsing the ads, idly as you do, saw an arab mare advertised, was about to pass on, when I saw a pedigree link, hit the link and found what I had been looking for, Ace, only bigger and younger, so I just had to go see her. She a long way away, and we were in seeding so it took a while until we got there, but when we did, I spent some time with her, and ended up standing there crying in her mane, she had so many things like her Momma it wasn't true. Well V the owner bred Emmy, used to own my Ace, and cut me the most generous deal on Emmy that I had to have her. Now she has her issues, she went to a training barn as a youngster and was well thought of, but they fried her mind, I think it was all to much to soon. When she first arrived she was very jumpy, but now she is starting to trust me in all situations, and she is going to be a sweetie once I start riding her I think.

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Then there is Willow Wind, 15.2hh and 6 years old, she also came from V, was advertised the same time as Emmy. When I went to see Emmy, I do notice Wills there, but paid no attention, I had seen her ad, and although she was being sold as a dressage prospect, I didn't want anything with issues with her ground manners, and described as pushy. I still can't actually remember the ins and outs of why I agreed to have her here for a while, originally for two weeks to see how she was, then after that two weeks she would be staying.

This mare is something else, she is bitchy, bolshie and impatient, but the conversations we had in her first couple of days here seem to have stuck, and she saves the worst of her manners for pushing around the rest of the herd. This standoffish, unfriendly mare, is always the first one to come and great me, and will stand for ages while I hug her and tell her what is going on. She also was in a show barn, was doing well, then got pulled through lack of money, she has been ridden western and English, can be hot. In the ground work I have done with her I find her light and responsive, and she knows her stuff. She is such different type to anything that I would have bought for myself, but I really can't see her going back, final decision comes in the spring when I have to pay for her if she is staying.

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Congrats to all who got this far, and if you want to add your thoughts, please do, they are all nice horses, and all of them tug my heart strings for different reasons, but I'm not at all sure that I can get the best out of three of them, especially as we have effectively doubled our farming operation for next year.
 
It's really tough to decide. I have a sneaky feeling though, that the difficult mare (Willow) will actually be a very rewarding horse to work with.

This is based however on the fact that I personally like the journey/progression/training and don't really give two hoots whether I win anything (as long as both me and the 'oss went well). Plus she likes you and often mares (and some non-female horses too ;) ) will give their all to people that they trust.
 
They are all lovely, but looks don't win dressage tests, which one do you feel you have more of a connection with, that would be the one I would choose.
 
If there's no financial imperitive to downsize, could you not advertise for a rider for one or two of them? Yes, you live in sparshly populated area, but surely there must be a few 'desperate to ride' teens willing to work for rides etc who'd relish the chance?
 
Work out what will suit you best once you have achieved the weight loss. To aid the loss why not start long lining.....get them fit and you fit at the same time! And the one you let go will have at least been in some kind of work in the meantime.
 
Agree whichever one will carry a lot of weight but no 1 looks more like weight carrier but I think you should get something even bigger(I mean chunky with plenty of bone). The others look too fine for weight carriers. I think rather than fall in love with the horse look for one that is going to carry you as you are. No one in a bigger form.

Originally I had it set in my head for a 15.2h but ended up with 14.1 as he was built like a tank.

Good luck.
 
Personally I would sell the ones with the least issues. I had 4 horses, 3 were brilliant, easy to do, did exactly what they were told, and 1 who had been backed and then threw so many people off he was dangerous. I sold the 3 who were great, because I knew they were much more likely to find great homes.

Incidentally I still have my "dangerous" lad, and he is practically perfect, scoring 70%+ at prelim dressage, and 60%+ at novice. He's still only 5, and has only been ridden consistently for a few months.

I agree with Faracat, I think your difficult mare will try her heart out for you :)
 
They are all lovely, but looks don't win dressage tests, which one do you feel you have more of a connection with, that would be the one I would choose.

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So hard to say. Personally I think I would hang on to the two mares, but that's just me, it depends on what you want to do and what each is capable of for what you want
 
I'd keep the first and the last, because both sound like projects at different stages, that you can work on and bring on in a way that complements each other. I get the impression the middle mare means less to you in her own right, if you see what I mean :)
 
You have to keep big ben ;)

Dont think - "hypothetically what if i lose all the weight and get to be slim and stay that way for the rest of my life which one will I keep..."

Think - "which one will I be able to ride all through my weight loss battle, and through my maintenance stage, and even if i go up a few pounds at christmas will still be ok? "

The others are very fine and even if you got to a low target, if your weight fluctuated in the slightest - you couldnt ride.

Im finding this hard to explain... er... you could be 7 stone and ride big ben, you could be 14 stone and still ride him fine and dandy, but the others?

Like... living on top of a moutain and having a 4x4. Sure in the summer you cuold get away with a sports car or motorbike when the roads clear, but at least with a 4x4 you can always get around regardless ;)
 
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You have to keep big ben ;)

Dont think - "hypothetically what if i lose all the weight and get to be slim and stay that way for the rest of my life which one will I keep..."

Think - "which one will I be able to ride all through my weight loss battle, and through my maintenance stage, and even if i go up a few pounds at christmas will still be ok? "

The others are very fine and even if you got to a low target, if your weight fluctuated in the slightest - you couldnt ride.

Im finding this hard to explain... er... you could be 7 stone and ride big ben, you could be 14 stone and still ride him fine and dandy, but the others?

Like... living on top of a moutain and having a 4x4. Sure in the summer you cuold get away with a sports car or motorbike when the roads clear, but at least with a 4x4 you can always get around regardless ;)

^^This!
 
It's really tough to decide. I have a sneaky feeling though, that the difficult mare (Willow) will actually be a very rewarding horse to work with.

This is based however on the fact that I personally like the journey/progression/training and don't really give two hoots whether I win anything (as long as both me and the 'oss went well). Plus she likes you and often mares (and some non-female horses too ;) ) will give their all to people that they trust.

Yeah, I kind of like the journey as well, and there is just something about Wills that pulls to me.

If there's no financial imperitive to downsize, could you not advertise for a rider for one or two of them? Yes, you live in sparshly populated area, but surely there must be a few 'desperate to ride' teens willing to work for rides etc who'd relish the chance?

No financial imperative, more of a time to do them justice imperative! As to teens, I can try, but the local town has a population of 300, mostly ageing, then it is 40 miles to the nearest town with any kind of population. But we can try, or I could consider a loan maybe....

Work out what will suit you best once you have achieved the weight loss. To aid the loss why not start long lining.....get them fit and you fit at the same time! And the one you let go will have at least been in some kind of work in the meantime.

Oh yes, I'm going to work with all of them and the yearling through the winter, OH and the recently arrived obese donkey, I hate exercise, but love ground working horses;)

I agree with Faracat, I think your difficult mare will try her heart out for you :)

I'm thinking that may just be the case, I think that she has never has had her own person, and if we gel it could be awesome.


As to the weight issue, although the girls look fine boned, to get to 20% is quite achievable for both of them, even bearing in mind I will have to recalculate for Emmy when she has lost her extra pounds.

I they are both huge motivations, and of course I don't suppose I can make any final decisions until I can ride them, because that will be the proof.

The girls although they have issues, are at least well broken, so we just have to find what the know and enhance it, Ben is a work in progress. Yes Ben will be a better mount for fluctuating weight, and I just love watching him move , I think he has something there.
 
Are you keeping one or two?

Willow sounds like the horse if keeping only one (if you like ballsy horses).
Big Ben is probably the most useful to you right now and for the next 6 months or so to see you through your weight loss.
Emmy on Fire - well you have to keep her because she is the daughter of Ace.

So sorry you have to keep them all :)
 
Like the way you think Rebel, I will keep two for sure, and the reason this kind of popped up today was a FB conversation about Arab shows next year, Emmy being pure bred, and Wills being registered PB can both show on that circuit, so possibly dressage and another class or two at the same show.
 
I would keep the horse for the rider you are now not the one you want to be especially as you have never ridden two of them so don't know what they will be like to ride even if you do lose weight. Additionally if you are out of practice in terms of riding you might not be well matched with a very hot horse even if you do lose weight especially if you are having lessons to get your confidence back the last thing you need is hot potentially tricky horse.

If the only horse you have that is suitable for you to ride at the moment is big ben you don't want to sell him in a hurry, as riding will help you loose weight. If the only issue with him is that he is green and inexperienced that can be fixed with good training.

In addition I would keep Emmy as it sounds like you have an emotional attachment to her due to her history breeding.

This way you have a big horse that can carry your weight now plus a smaller one that you could do things with later on when you lose weight.

Based on your post I would sell Willow because you are out of practice with your riding and because you have needed lessons to get your confidence back she is the horse that is going to need a confident and experienced rider, if she has been in a professional yard and they have said she is a hot ride and based on what you have said about your riding experience and levels of confidence she would be the least suitable for you as a ride.

If you have two that require you to loose a decent amount of weight to ride then you won't be able to ride until then and even then as you have not ridden them before you don't know what they are going to be like to ride or if you are going to enjoy riding them. At least with your big horse you have ridden him and you say you enjoy ridding him and you can ride him at the moment.
 
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Everyone will be staying through the winter now, because it has arrived early, have just checked the forecast for next week and it isn't pretty, day time highs of -16*C and overnight lows down to -26*C *cries* so not ready for that already.

There is no point trying to market anyone now, the horse world will all but shut down for 6 months here. Gives me plenty of time to work on me, and the ponies, and see what spring brings......Dear Santa, PLEASE bring me an indoor.
 
I would sell 2 and 3 and get another one similar to 1.

Not being rude, but you do not want to be watching the scales everyday before you decide - can i ride you today or not.

I know you want to loose weight, but ask yourself - to keep a 15.2 unless your are going to starve yourself every day and make yourself miserable - is it really a pressure you can do without and is it really worth it ?

And to be honest you gain weight the older you get - dont i know it !
 
i too would sell 2 and 3 and keep 1.

the arab will only ever carry 12 stone and the 15.2 prob wont carry much more. and 20% rule doesnt always ring true. my 7/8th TB is 602kg and is a correct condition score according to recent visit to yard by nutritionalist and according to the 20% rule she can apparantly carry nearly 19stones!!!! really! - no way would i put more than 11-12 st on her (thats including the tack dont forget and my saddle weighs 5kg . Yeah she might carry 19st - but horse wont last long!

you need a very very chunky weight carrier.
 
Keep all three and find a sharer. :D Personally I think your big lad is gorgeous and would definitely be holding onto him, but it sounds as though you don't really want to let the mares go either.

Where in Canada are you? Godawful as the weather is here atm, I don't envy you - I've lived through one Canadian winter in my life and as far as I'm concerned it was one too many.
 
I'd keep the first and the last, because both sound like projects at different stages, that you can work on and bring on in a way that complements each other. I get the impression the middle mare means less to you in her own right, if you see what I mean :)

Exactly this.
 
Just a thought, this is me riding Just for Ace, Emmy's dam, you really think that 'this' me looks out of place on an Arab, yes serious question..

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Ace there is 17 years old, and just coming back to being ridden after a 9 year lay off as a brood mare, and she is around 14.3hh. I don't know I am going to get down that low again, which is why I got young Emmy, a bigger, younger version of Ace.

Sigh, it isn't going to be easy.

Gingerwitch, another big guy/girl drafty but well broke did cross my mind, but that is kind of like admitting that you need 2XL pants all your life, I have to decide to either make the horses fit the body I have now, or make this body fit the horses I have now.

Holding, we are in Saskatchewan, middle of the prairies, and this is all happening a month to early for my liking:mad:
 
BigBen - trust me - i was at 11st 7 2 years ago Feb.... i worked my butt off and got down to 9st 10 by the end of May that year- kept this weight until June this year when the big lad started to be ill - and today i weight 12st 4 - okay i have had 4 months of nothing but stress and late nights and eating crap and now i have a bust leg - i have never ever been as fat as i am today - and it really is not where i want to be.

Being realistic can i really get back to 9st 10 and stay their ? - i sure as hell need to as the little lad is only a 15.2hh ex racer and his race weight was 8st 10 tops... but i have anohter 5 weeks in plaster so that will probably be me upto 12st 7 and at a loss of 2 lbs a week its going to take me a good 3 or 4 months to get back where i want to be and i have crimbo in the mean time
 
TBH, I'm sorry but I don't think that any of them are suitable for you. Big Ben is too young to be ridden by someone so heavy and the other 2 are too small/finely built. By the way, if Emmy needs to lose some weight herself, you should knock the extra weight off what she is able to carry, as she is already carrying extra weight.
You should be able to ride Ben when he is fully mature.
Good luck with your weight loss programme.
 
TBH, I'm sorry but I don't think that any of them are suitable for you. Big Ben is too young to be ridden by someone so heavy and the other 2 are too small/finely built. By the way, if Emmy needs to lose some weight herself, you should knock the extra weight off what she is able to carry, as she is already carrying extra weight.
You should be able to ride Ben when he is fully mature.
Good luck with your weight loss programme.

:confused: Ben is 10 not young at all, just they never got round to breaking him, so one thing I know about him is that his bones are set:D

I did already state that I will have to recalculate Emmys ability in teh spring when she is at a fighting weight.

With winter closing in so early Ben is not going to be ridden over much, and I have said numerous times that the girls will wait until spring any way.

1 week complete on the weightloss, feeling a lighter lighter already, several more weeks to go, but one day at a time.:D
 
:confused: Ben is 10 not young at all, just they never got round to breaking him, so one thing I know about him is that his bones are set:D


Sorry I misread and didn't see his age



I did already state that I will have to recalculate Emmys ability in teh spring when she is at a fighting weight.

What I meant was that she will be able to carry more in the Spring than she can now, I read your OP as that she will be able to carry less when she is fitter because she will weigh less herself

With winter closing in so early Ben is not going to be ridden over much, and I have said numerous times that the girls will wait until spring any way.

1 week complete on the weightloss, feeling a lighter lighter already, several more weeks to go, but one day at a time.:D

Well done, keep it up.
In that case keep Ben and sell/loan the other 2
 
I haven't read any replies so sorry if repeating. I don't think the second two should be carrying heavy riders so I'd sell them both and buy a true weight carrier that you can ride now whilst you get some proper condition on horse one in view to riding him
 
As to the weight issue, although the girls look fine boned, to get to 20% is quite achievable for both of them, even bearing in mind I will have to recalculate for Emmy when she has lost her extra pounds.

Emmy will be able to carry more when she has lost weight as the 20% should be 20% of a healthy weight and any excess weight the horse is currently carrying included in the 20% you are expecting it to carry.

By the way, if Emmy needs to lose some weight herself, you should knock the extra weight off what she is able to carry, as she is already carrying extra weight.

Agreed

I did already state that I will have to recalculate Emmys ability in teh spring when she is at a fighting weight.

You did but the way you wrote it, appeared to imply you thought the horse could carry less as it got fitter...........

I have got a horse capable of carrying my weight and whilst I will aim to lose, I know in the mean time I am doing her no harm.
 
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