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Hi! First of all. I hope that I posted this thread correctly.

My username is already telling a lot about me. But my name is Dagmar. I'm from Holland (so please excuse my writing). I own an Irish Cob, his passport name is Derreentige Guiness. Last year he has been shipped to Holland.
I don't know anything about him. I'm looking for Some information, history or contact posibillities. What does the name Derreentige mean? Is it the name from the breeder. Or the stable who sold my horse? Or perhaps it's a small town in Ireland. Can you help me please?
 
There is no place in Ireland called Derreentige and its not an Irish word (as far as I can tell!). I have a feeling its a combination of two or more words as its certainly an unusual name!

I found this thread for you. You should message some of the people there :) They seem to have a lot of information.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?618577-Derreentige-name-prefix

There are over 20 horses registered in Ireland with that prefix - with different breeders so I get the impression it is a dealer who names them? (you can search here - http://breeding.horsesportireland.ie/Search.aspx)

Is there only one previous owners name on his passport? That could be the person who named him?
 
Thank you for your reply.
I've contacted the people in the former thread about Derreentige.

Looking up my horse his name in that database, gives a result. But except from the name, the color, sex and age are completly different.
What does C mean? S would be stallion and G Gelding, I think?
My horse was a Brown 9 year old stallion (now 10 years and gelding) that doesn't match the results from that database.
If I'm correct that means there is a horse with exactly the same name as mine. Or there has been passport fraude while shipping it to Holland. That wouldn't be the first. Horses are chipped when they arrive here. The chipcode in his passport matches the one in his neck. But that doesn't give garantuees that my horse an the passport horse are exactly the same. When I bought my horse, I had a vet examinate him. He told me that the horse his age is corresponding to the age in his passport. There are stories in Holland known, that the buyer thought his horse was a young one, according to is passport, But in reality is a much older one.
I do hope there is some other explanation. Because then the name will be giving me a dead lead.

There is no contact or former information about the breeder in my passport. There were, But the name is striked through (correct word?).
 
Hi I have a dereentige horse for Ireland, it is the dealers affix, lady called Donna, the issue I had with my passport, is there is no mention of dam or sire, I questioned why I had a skew bald, ass past port, what she said my horse was never registar at birth, so she just buy a batch of past ports. My horse is a conni x
 
C means colt which if the passport was issued when the horse was young will be correct just not updated later on, fairly normal in my experience, the colour brown is not used so frequently over here so if he is down as bay it may just be that as a foal they were not sure what colour he was going to end up as.
 
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This is my horse. Is it a dark bay?
 
Guinness is a very popular heavy dark Irish drink with a white foam top, so it's a very common name for dark heavy cobs with white on them. If the prefix is a dealer there may well be several horses with the same name in their passports. If you have a chip match, then I think you have the right horse.

Just seen the photo, he's a bay and he's gorgeous!
 
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Hi! Thanks for the reply. And all of your help!!

Well, his passport name is Guiness. With one "n". Wich I found odd because off the drink. But is it possible that is a typo?
The chip is a dutch one. All Horses in Holland must have a chip. So When the horses are imported to Holland with no identification, they will get a chip at our border (or somewhere near that).
The chipnumber will be written down in the passport. But when the passport isn't officially the one from the horse, on perpas or by mistake, than the information will no longer be correct. I know it happens. But I hope it isn't the case in my situation :)
 
The spelling is odd, that's true. How old was he when the passport was issued ¿ Unfortunately in the UK it's very easy to get a new passport, and it's very odd that the breeder name has been removed. Is his name a later addition, or was it printed into the passport when it was first issued ? I'm not sure you'll ever get to the bottom of where he really came from, but he is lovely and you'll have so much fun with him, I'm sure. It's so nice to see someone from a top warmblood breeding country importing one of our horses :)

Your English is brilliant.
 
Thank you both!
It was love at first sight. After all those years owning a WB, I'm surprised about my Irish Cob's nature. Relaxt and so devoted. And also for the complement on my English, I'm doing my best :D

The Irish Horse register is difficult for me to read. I can't find a date. Except the place/date, but there are missing some Numbers on that page. It reads Castlerea 15/4/0? I think 05.
On the first page (Ownership) is a sticker with probably the dealer. I've just send her a PM on Facebook. But no reply jet.
There is also an erased owner. I can still see the date (24th may 2013), so still in UK because in Dutch we write it differently. But the name and adress are black marked not readable anymore.
There is registration number. Where can I find that database?
And when do you have to insurance your horse? Because on the last page, there is some writing about insurance from 30/4/10 to s... (Can't read) 1/5/10 for £ (amount better not place online I think)
 
Ah! Ok!
I've searched for his passport registration number and found a Cob, 14,2hh (1.47 cm?), 10 years. Name is Guinness (dubble 'n'!!). But also says black??
It also says it's been sold, by a ms Clarke. Let's see if i can find her!
 
I know there was a big dealer around last year and the year before, from Holland with a massive lorry, there was a Dutch name on the front he was at Cahirmee fair, and Puck and a lot of other fairs and he filled the lorry with every cob that was broken and riding, I think he bought about 70 at Cahirmee and he certainly had the lorry full at Puck by lunchtime. He then went straight to the ferry and over to Holland. Maybe your cob was one of these?
 
Perhaps the one 'n' in the name is to avoid registering two with exactly the same name.

I hate to sound negative but Irish dealers will have had literally hundreds of these cobs through their hands and are unlikely to remember each and every one

Your horse is lovely!
 
WelshD said:
Perhaps the one 'n' in the name is to avoid registering two with exactly the same name.

I hate to sound negative but Irish dealers will have had literally hundreds of these cobs through their hands and are unlikely to remember each and every one

Your horse is lovely!
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The 'n' makes sense.
Because with is passport number I found a Guinness. Sold on 24th may 2014. For amount gns. What is a GNS? I don't have a clue.
And 24th may has been written in my passport but is erased with a gum.
The registration number is on his passport but also on the Irish Horse register form filled in by a vet in Castlerea.
His name in the breeding database says date of birth 2003. But black.
The horse sale (Auction), the one from 24-05-2013, sales a guinness 10 years Old Cob. Which means born in 2003. (Same passp. no). Also black!

Only the register form filled in by the vet states 1-1-2005 and color bay.
 
Faracat said:
He's lovely and he is brown. :) There are many colours that people often get wrong in the UK and brown is one of the most commonly misidentified.
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He looks like he's got black points Faracat. Can you tell us colour numpties what makes him a brown rather than a bay?




PS OP, A guinea is one pound and five pence. Traditionally, the pound went to the seller and the five pence to the auctioneer :)
 
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The paler 'brown' nose (but not as pale as a mealy muzzle (pangare)), paler armpits, under the hind legs creeping up to the flanks and they generally have pale bits by the eyes too.

So the Agouti variants are

bay (A)
http://0.s3.envato.com/files/47849678/001_9614-.jpg

Brown (At) which can be dark and is then called Seal brown
http://keyassets.timeincuk.net/insp...s/sites/14/2014/05/2-brown-horses-running.jpg

Brown at the front, seal brown behind.


Wild bay (A+) (black points are much more restricted so smaller).
http://colorgenetics.info/sites/default/files/HA Cytech Trotting_0.JPG

ETA - this seal brown in his winter coat shows the paler areas very clearly. Browns are able to be recognised more easily in the winter due to this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v678/polomouth/IMG_0019.jpg
 
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Wow! I think my 'bay' horse is a brown too then, he has all the pale bits, how interesting. Thanks for that.

Do you happen to know how common frame overo is in a Shetland? My mini seems to be a chestnut frame overo (paint type markings) and I've never seen a purebred like her. I'm wondering if she got crossed somewhere to get her so tiny and unusually coloured. I should look up her breeding I guess, but it's easier to ask our resident colour expert :)
 
I'm not a shetland expert but I have only ever seen tobiano ones IRL. I did find this http://www.miniaturehorsetalk.com/index.php?/topic/9988-are-there-overo-shetlands/ but I think that all the contributors are from the US so they could be referring to American Shetlands which do have other blood in them.

I found this photo which shows a very fancy coloured American Shetland. She's a Black Silver Dapple Frame Overo no less! :D
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Derreen Tige (or probably Tighe or Tighue) does have a meaning. There are lots of townlands (small geographical regions in Ireland) called Derreen, including right next door to me, and it means small oak wood. My own townland is a Derry.... meaning oak wood. The Tige part is likely a mis-spelling, like the Guiness with one "n", and means poet or storyteller.

Oh and it seems there is a Derreen Tighue in Co Kerry, didn't know that!
 
I found Derreentigue Facebook page, they sell horses. Probably the dealer.
But more importantly I really think it is my horse at the Auction site.

The Property of Ms H Clarke NO VAT Guinness
Black Gelding 10 yrs 14.2hh
Passport Number: xxx
Guinness is a black cob, he has a snaffle mouth and is good in traffic. He enjoys jumping and has been hunting. He is a good doer and enjoys living out, he has never needed shoes but has his feet trimmed regularly. He would suit a teenager or small adult, ideal 2nd horse.
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So.. The search continues.. Ms H Clarke. Someone who like to help? Lol.
 
Well, my first conclusion about my horse being the one from the Auction (same passport no.), can't be true.
Someone pointed it out to me. I don't know how I missed is.
But the Auction states that the Guinness is a gelding. But my horse was a stallion!
So there has been a mix-Up. But where? Deliberatly or by accident? I don't know.
I'm still in contact with the dealer. Perhaps she can give some answers.
 
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