deshoeing by barefoot trimmers

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does anyone know if a barefoot trimmer would take off my horses shoes,of would i need a farrier for that. also i need to find a qualafied trimmer, i live in ireland, can anyone help
 
I know it can be hard to get a farrier to come JUST to do a trim, but provided you can get him there, would deffo say get your farrier to do the trimming.

Dragon is totally barefoot and George is shod on all fours. My farrier does both (I wish I paid Dragon's bill instead of Georges though!
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I think the law says that only a registered farrier can legally prepare a hoof for shoeing. If it was illegal to remove shoes where would we all stand if we needed to whip off one that had come horribly loose?
I'll go against the flow here and say I'd use a barefoot trimmer to have my horse working barefoot, and a farrier to have my horse working shod. Only because I've found it really hard to find a farrier who does a really good barefoot trim for a working horse, which is of course a different ball game to a pasture trim.
 
Agree with TinyPony, would never let my old farrier trim my mare now, her feet are 100 times better and not tb'ish anymore. Good trimmers are out there just like good farriers, and vice versa, there are just as many bad farriers as bad trimmers. Removing shoes isn't the problem though it's whats done or whats not done to them afterwards that is important.
Good luck with what ever you choose
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If I wanted my horse to go barefoot and if barefoot trimmers actually did some form of training that lasted longer than a week or involved more than watching a video, I might use one
 
My boy is barefoot and trimmed by a KC trimmer, I do everything with him (not always very well). Yes the trimmer should be able to take his shoes off and no it isn't illegal to the take the shoe off.
 
Dieseldog you could check on the training given to a KC La Pierre trimmer, you may be pleasantly surprised.
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It takes a lot longer than a week. Anyone offering their services as a trimmer after a week's training should be taken out and shot in my humble opinion.
I've had problems finding a good barefoot trimmer since I moved my lot, but have found the one in a million - a farrier who is interested enough to investigate the barefoot trimming methods and understand why they differ from what he learnt at college. I've brought him the KC DVD's and we're getting along great. He could explain much better than I how a standard farrier trim varies from trimming for performance.
Barefoot isn't an easy option, and for a lot of people they might as well leave shoes on. It can take time and some effort to help your horse to have properly conditioned bare feet that can do real work. Not everyone has the time or setup.
Avoid Strasser trimmers like the plague of course.
 
bare foot triming is the latest fad that attempts to get around the farriers registration act ( an animal welfare act designed to PROTECT equines) K C LaPierre follows in the footsteps of Stasser, and will probably end the same way. In defence of barefoot trimmers, some can do a reasonable job, the best can compete favourably with the worst farriers. My advice. Find a good farrier. Discuss your requirements, shoes, no shoes. Have some fun, (but keep asking questions)
 
I did ask the questions, that is why I wouldn't use most farriers. What do you mean by KC following in the footsteps of Strasser? Do you mean the trims are the same? That there will be the same cruelty cases?
I shoe a horse if it needs it, boot if it needs it, or leave it barefoot by preference. But in my experience of this my faith in barefoot trims by farriers has been severely dented.
 
hi there settle down and listen ,have no fear they all do the same trim they change the words a little to make it differnt, there is only one way to trim a horse, even srassers trim is the same, she has trim for foundered horses which is radical. but any of her peoplewouldent or could,nt do it they do her modafied trim ,which is same as all the rest. they all blind with science. if you would like can send you my trimfor sound and lame horses, it is easy and i have been saving horses withit for20 years,i you want you can pm me and i will tell you how to trim
 
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hi there settle down and listen ,have no fear they all do the same trim they change the words a little to make it differnt, there is only one way to trim a horse, even srassers trim is the same, she has trim for foundered horses which is radical. but any of her peoplewouldent or could,nt do it they do her modafied trim ,which is same as all the rest. they all blind with science. if you would like can send you my trimfor sound and lame horses, it is easy and i have been saving horses withit for20 years,i you want you can pm me and i will tell you how to trim

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That is probaby the scariest thing that has ever been put on this forum. You will send someone by PM instructions on how to trim their horse and you think that has no welfare implications at all
 
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hi there settle down and listen ,have no fear they all do the same trim they change the words a little to make it differnt, there is only one way to trim a horse, even srassers trim is the same, she has trim for foundered horses which is radical. but any of her peoplewouldent or could,nt do it they do her modafied trim ,which is same as all the rest. they all blind with science. if you would like can send you my trimfor sound and lame horses, it is easy and i have been saving horses withit for20 years,i you want you can pm me and i will tell you how to trim

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and been to court for doing it...

a little knowledge in the wrong hands is dangerous
 
I think it would be very irresponsible to attempt to teach people how to trim by sending them messages to read via the internet. And anyone who claims that a Strasser trim is the same as a KC trim truly doesn't know what they are talking about. A Strasser trimmer attempts to trim a hoof to conform to an ideal, regardless of the individual horse. They are prepared to do it radically and alter the shape quickly, resulting in the well-known side effects and suffering to horses. I know, I have seen it. The other trimmers take a different and less invasive approach. Like farriers, they wouldn't be happy seeing blood when they finish trimming.
There is obviously quite a lot of feeling here that farriers are the only people who can trim, and the barefoot movement is some sort of fad. To be honest I don't care enough about it to argue or try to persuade people one way or the other. I just did my homework, and applied what I learnt to help my horses. If they need shoes they get shoes, but at the moment none of them do. I tried farrier trims but they weren't great, so I got a professional trimmer involved and the hooves got a lot better and stronger. That's all I needed to know. Maybe if I'd started with a different farrier things would be different, but we can only go on our own experience, and the professionals that are available in our areas.
 
I must have a good farrier
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All mine are barefoot and just have a regular trim from my regular farrier when necessary.
 
Saving! Crippling more like. IMHO anyone who lets an unqualified person trim their horses feet, shouldn't be allowed to own one.
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ETS: My new horse is barefoot and NOONE other than my farrier will be getting near his feet!
 
WOW! You are dangerous!!
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My horse is barefoot because he has to be.
I had him trimmed by a "Can't be bothered" farrier.
I have had him trimmed by a BF trimmer and I have trimmed myself and now, thankfully I have a fab new Farrier doing the job for me. So I have been on both sides of the fence, on top of it and under it
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You might know what you are doing but,,,,sheeesh! How do you know who you are pming?
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I actually think you are hear just for a wind up.
 
Hi Tinypony I think Hoofsculptures post answers your question. I agree with Dieseldog, SCARY. There are many simularities between Strasser and K.C. Hype, Fanatisisum, Lack of factual data i.e. research, and Regulation. and now before I get lynched a big BUT... This does not nessesarily mean that these ideas are wrong or bad. There are are many dedicated people out there, some contribute to this forum, who do there very best for the horse. You just have to cut through all this **** and get down to the nitty gritty. Your approach to the management of your horses feet seemes to be spot on. I am sorry to hear that you have had your faith dented, I hope not to badly.
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"I tried farrier trims but they weren't great, so I got a professional trimmer involved"

Farriers spend over 4 years training and have to pass a national exam to ensure competence and no cruelty to the horse, what qualification does a "professional trimmer" have to pass (is it a six week course in America and a lump sum?) This is just a simple question as I have never heard of a professional trimmer before
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hi deisel dog andr h t . dont be scared, you have no need to be, and as for H R T. never been to court, never hurt a horse, save horses all over the world, havent time to write books, by the way what do you do and what do you really know about horses feet,appart from what you heard and read. when i said anyone can pm me about my trimming methods it was so i could clarify what i said about trimming being the same although i dont think you would listen to anything ,as you seem to know it all. so you can log off, both of you and i will explain to others. A FULLY transitioned unshod horse will have a nice ring of hoof wall all the way round from heel to heel, to walk on, it will round off at the toe, level with the sole ,either by the trim or natural wear, the bars will be the same as the hoof wall after they turn to form the buttress, they will stay flat for 3/4 inch or so and then slope down to blend with the sole. the sole will be a healthy colour and will have a smiling face shape under the pedal bone, in front of frog[to callus] the frog will be wide and healthy and level with the heels. looking at the foot when standing, the wall will be free of buldges ripples and flares, and if the horse is standing on his own centre of gravity,he will have a straight line through his pastern, the hoof ground angle will be somewhere between 50 and 58 dg[front] this will vary from horse to horse as everything that is alive and growing is unique onto its self. NOW THATis what all trimmers are aiming for, call the trim what you like, use a spoon, sandpaper, you,r teeth, anything, just dont vary from this finished product. IF HRT had pm me that is what she would have got. this trim is for a sound horse, and is not to be confused with my method of dealing with a foundered horse, that is an entirly different situation. i should alsosay that h strasser,s modafied trim is the same with a slightly lower angle. the trim that everyone is confusing is her method of dealing with horses that would be !!!!!d in most cases. i have my own system which i developed in saudi arabia, and it is amasing to see. HANDS UP IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND
 
now now luv ,make sure you,r brain is in gear before you put your mouth[finger] in motion. dont ever say that i cripple horses ,its too far from the truth
 
My understanding is that farriers only spend about half a day looking at hoof structure and mechanics. The majority of their time is spent learning how to shape a shoe and work with metal. I have the feeling that relatively a trimmer spends significantly more time learning about the mechanics of the horse and its hoof than that found on a standard farrier training course.

I may well be wrong about this and would happy to be corrected.
 
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