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Well, Sunny has taken a further turn for the worst today. Background: he is 27 and has terrible COPD from a pollen allergy, also had 1 eye removed 7 years ago. He's been on Cavalesse all summer and it has saved his life as his lungs were so damaged that we didn't think his quality of life would be acceptable this summer just gone. He stopped the Cavalesse a couple of weeks ago since there's now no pollen in the air. I put him on brewers yeast at the same time as it is almost neat B vits, which is similar to Cavalesse. All the horses on my yard are out from 3pm to 9am and in from 9am to 3pm. This is the pattern all year unless we have heavy snow. They all thrive on it regardless of breed, age, sex, size.

About 7 - 10 days ago my YO spotted Sunny at about 8am lying down in the middle of the field in the pouring rain. All the others were standing with their bums wedged in the hedge. He was slow to stand and could barely put 1 foot in front of the other to walk in. By 4pm however, he was his old self again. Vet was called anyway, just in case. All vital signs seemed ok except for his lung sounds which are shot to hell and back. They took bloods. Results the following day, nothing much to report except that, amazingly, his liver enzymes were raised. They came out to take more bloods to send off for Cushings (just in case) and bile acid test. Results won't be back until Weds or Thurs. I almost called the vets again this afternoon. Over the last year, Sunny has grown more and more unable to regulate his own temperature effectively. Well, since that 1st episode 10 days ago, he has come in clammy and cold regardless of what rug I put on him. Every morning he is strangely lethargic, and by the afternoon he seems a bit better. The last couple of mornings he has seemed confused coming in, uncertain which is his stable and what to do next. Then today, he was standing totally at rest in his stable but not his normal self. When I counted his breaths per minute (8 - 12 is normal, 25 - 25 is normal for Sunny) it was 58!!! And he was sweating and clammy again. He's eating fine and appears to be pooing and peeing fine too.

I have a horrible sick feeling that these strange symptoms (blood sugars normal, no signs of infection) could indicate a shortage of oxygen to the muscles and brain. If he's still the same Monday morning, I'm getting the vets out again but I suspect there's not much that can be done except the dreaded steroids (that didn't help his lungs a year ago). I think if he was human he'd a) be on a lung transplant waiting list and b) need to be sat in his favourite armchair 24/7 plugged in to an oxygen cylinder.

Please please please has anyone experienced anything like this with their horses? If so, what helped/didn't help, what was the outcome and if not good, how long between 1st symptoms and the final decision? If I'm totally off the wall with my worries, does anyone know what the problem could be? Vets baffled so far too. Many thanks x
 
So sorry. No advice or wise words, but didn't want to read and not give you some support, even if it's just you know where I am if you need to talk.

I hope the vets come up with something very soon.
 
You may have to face the idea that he is old, some horses are old & coming to the end before others. Please make sure he is not suffering, he can't tell you if he is hurting inside except by his actions & you must let his actions speak to you. Vets very often cannot diagnose GENERAL pain through age, they tend more to pinpoint a pain source ie knee etc. Take care both of you, hugs.
 
Im sorry i dont have any advice / experiences for you, i think you will have to wait to see what the vet says as i feel this could be a number of things, but based on the poor boy getting old :(

If he is like that whilst waiting, i would want to bring him in at night, its much colder, and he may be struggling a bit, id want to see if he coped better in the day turnout...
Perhaps ask YO if there was another horse or something that you could swap around for a week or so whilst you are waiting for results? The night turnout may not be helping his situation :(

Good luck!!
 
I agree iwth Polldark, I am so sorry to hear about Sunny, but being perfectly honest if he were mine I'd be making 'that' decision.

27 is a decent age for a horse without health issues, but to be distressed with a lack of oxygen must be very unpleasant for him and it isn't something that is going to get better.
 
From memory, horses with copd should not have brewers yeast, cannot remember why but I'd stop giving that immediately in case its compromising his respiratory health further. Good luck with him.
 
We had an 11.2hh pony (also called Sunny) this happened to- she was 38. We think she had a small stroke. She'd lived with us at the same house for 18 years. One day she went down in the field (but was trying to get up) so we called the vet, 2 of us picked her up and carried her into the stable. She was very confused for 2/3 weeks couldn't remember where her stable was, seemed to be lost in places she'd known for 18 years. She went down again a few weeks later but didn't want to get up so the vet put her to sleep.

They let you know when they want to fight, and when they want to go- you just have to be strong enough when the time comes.
 
I agree iwth Polldark, I am so sorry to hear about Sunny, but being perfectly honest if he were mine I'd be making 'that' decision.

27 is a decent age for a horse without health issues, but to be distressed with a lack of oxygen must be very unpleasant for him and it isn't something that is going to get better.

Have to agree, I'm sorry but it does sound like the quality of his life hasn't been great for a while.

FWIW, I'm going through this with our Bassett, he's suddenly started with a heart murmur and we only knew about it due to a cough; he's as bright as a button in himself but it distresses him (and us) when he can't breathe. He's now on extra tablets but can only have them for a short term (2 days to go) if they haven't improved things then it's time to let him go and I'm dreading it; had him since he whelped on my lap over 11 years ago, he's mine and I'm his but I won't/can't let him suffer just for me so he will go still wagging and smiling and happy, not in a distressed state at all, that would be unbearable and I would hate it to be my last memory of him, he doesn't deserve that.
Hugs, it's never easy but we have to be honest with ourselves for their sakes.
 
I've read your post again, and I think you know what you need to do. If anything a horse is a large animal and the high resps are his way of ensuring he has enough oxygen to be able to stand in a stable.

It's a hard decision for you to accept, but it's better he goes when he's had a lovely summer being pampered by you and surrounded by his friends, than lying down in a wet field in the pouring rain on his own.
 
The sweating/claminess happened to my horse, he'd had a case of cellulitus and it was just one thing after another after that. He also started lying down in the field alot, and his legs would start going as if he was cantering lying down. I'm afraid to say it was about a week or so after he stared becoming clammy that I had him put to sleep, as there were just too many things going against him that were never going to come right, and at 27-30 years old he owed me nothing. I don't know what caused his clamminess, or some of the other symptoms he showed, but I do know he had an irregular heart beat. Basically his body just couldn't keep up with his spirit any more.
I really feel for you x x
 
Im sorry i dont have any advice / experiences for you, i think you will have to wait to see what the vet says as i feel this could be a number of things, but based on the poor boy getting old :(

If he is like that whilst waiting, i would want to bring him in at night, its much colder, and he may be struggling a bit, id want to see if he coped better in the day turnout...
Perhaps ask YO if there was another horse or something that you could swap around for a week or so whilst you are waiting for results? The night turnout may not be helping his situation :(

Good luck!!

I would also keep him in at night and see how he goes
 
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