Detectives please!HHO Scent work..White Shepherd/White GSD/Swiss White Shepherd

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I'm hoping one of you might be able to help me do a little detective work.

First of all, I don't feel this is one for Missing or Trace, but I would really love to know if anyone here or any one you know might be able to help me find the breeder of my rescue dog.

Firstly, I must point out, I do NOT intend to breed, so put the muzzles back on please!:D I'm just interested to find out the family history of my boy, if there are any things i need to know health wise & generally just anything i can about him & his line.

Secondly, please, I am not, not, NOT looking for them to give him back, he is my world, my everything and my best friend.I simply want to know his history.

He was sold by a breeder to his original owner in 2009 and he remained with them until he came direct to me via a rescue. I have several facts that will help you!

He was born on 10th August 2009 so turned 3 this summer.

His parents are both white, from a white line.
They had semi good but patchy English & heavy accents so I've been told they mentioned Swiss White Shepherd/White German Shepherd to the rescue assessor who mocked this to me(yeah yeah whatever) until I pointed out you do get white breeders tho they are not KC recognised if they are Swiss Whites in the uk (Berger Suisse Blanc/Weisser Schweisser Schafferhund) Comparing those I know in Switzerland & the white or standard gsd's I have know, I would say he is more like the Swiss breeding due to his features,his coat feel & texture, tho I am also aware this can vary greatly even among GSDs so it could be either-the litters born date will help.

The breeder had him microchipped but the microchip companies would not even disclose the vet. - could any of you help? He is reg'd with Petlog. he also had his puppy innocs with the breeder.

He is medium straight coated, very silky,thick dense fur. Big boned & straight backed.

He was sold at 8weeks to a foreign couple who were either living in the London or Southampton area.

He is male & was named by the breeder - Connor. The breeder also told the couple this meant 'Wolf Lover' He is very wolfy(but a big softy!) My feeling was that the breeder was a caring one rather than a back yard one from the things mentioned.I think they saw both parents.

The breeder was a man(may have been part of a family/couple tho) he lived on an 'estate' near a castle. The original owner described it as a landed estate type large property more than a housing estate!. I believe it was in the Bristol/South Gloucestershire area. It was big beautiful & green. (will prob be a flat on a dark green council estate!)

Papers - he was not given to me with any, tho they had moved house 8 times while they had him. They didn't say he did or didn't have any, but not being UK or very dog orientated they may not have known the relevance.

I would love to know about his family line/health anything at all...and would dearly love some pics of him as a pup -you know the usual!

Does anyone think they can help? In time, I would LOVE to have more of his breed and would take the right rescue one in a flash - plus it would do him good,he loves other dogs once they are friends but is fearful of new ones(tho this is partly due to them having people attached!) I would happily pass my name to the breeder incase any siblings came back and needed a new home. He's had a really rough time between leaving his litter & coming to me, including getting hit by a car & being injured on the run for a month, but he amazes me every day in little ways & slowly we are getting there & his confidence has rocketed - thanks partly to some HHO'ers who were fed in return for being very unscary & getting barked at.

Right...over to you now...bloodhound noses at the ready? Go find!xxx
 
First things first, it is most likely he is a white GSD. Whites were never accepted by the SV so the Swiss decided to register them, it's a name. Please don't be offended :o

Without the papers or pedigree/names you are not likely to be able to find out much and with a lot of colour breeders (sorry) all you will get is names like 'Misty of the Glens' with no health tests or traceability.

What I will do is refer you to the Pedigree Database, PM the user Wildmoor, she keeps a keen eye on this sort of thing and might be able to help you.
You could also get in contact with some of the more established colour breeders and see if they know anything about your boy's breeder.
 
Thank you CC - not offeded at all! I know about the Swiss thing, but the guy had mentioned it to the rescue & his grasp of English was too iffy for him to have come out with it randomly& they were convinced he was a human baby so were not really doggy people..we were subjected to a grilling at the vets - 4 scary receptionist decided he was not a gsd so after that saga, trust me, simply being a white gsd is more than fine!One had him down as an Akita x lab!!!(really no!)the other a samoyed x mal which is seriously isn't. I will ad, I have since changed vets!:D

Thank you very much for mentioning Wildmoor - I am not sure she will be as happy tho! Am currently in touch with the White Shepherd fb admin lady & have emailed several white breeders but will now start plan of attack on coloureds too. I know what you mean about the fancy names too..just hoping I'll stumble across his breeder somehow & they'll be happy to share anything they can.Some I've contacted have been quite suspicious until I've clearly written we are joint at the hip - sad really as you'd like to think they would care what happens.

Also if there are any rescue people on here, do bare me in mind if any like him come in....ideally don't want to take the new one on until I have sold the house & moved into the next one, simply to be sensible keeping this one clean & viewable thru winter without any destruction, which won't matter in the new house..but also mainly so the new one won't come here then suddenly we move again.
 
Sorry, when I say 'colour' breeders I mean people who breed specifically for white, blue, etc, not the standard colours.

Good luck in your search, I will try to be as of much assistance as I can but I will not recommend or endorse breeders who are breeding for off-standard colours alone, sorry :o


Edit: You could also try posting on the PDB forum as there are a few UK users but it can make this place look like a playpark!
 
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CaveCanem said:
Sorry, when I say 'colour' breeders I mean people who breed specifically for white, blue, etc, not the standard colours.

Good luck in your search, I will try to be as of much assistance as I can but I will not recommend or endorse breeders who are breeding for off-standard colours alone, sorry :o


Edit: You could also try posting on the PDB forum as there are a few UK users but it can make this place look like a playpark!
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Crikey..that sounds a scarey place!

Rest assured.. I must add,am absolutely definitely not looking to buy a pup. I've had pedigrees before that I've booked from litters before they were born...but after rescuing this one, any dogs that come to live with us in the future will only be rescues.(before I get inundated with back yard breeders who suddenly have a litter of the same date and conveniently have pups & their oh is off somewhere competing with the mum & dad...overseas...for 6 years!)I agree off standard breeding is simply adding fuel to the many current problems..just like the new 'trendy' crosses or breeding from too close a gene pool.In my head..and hopefully in RL, if a breeder commits to having a litter, I would hope they can guarantee each pup a home if its family has a drastic circumstance change.. or at the very least will do everything to find the pup the best possible home. I will never breed..simply because it would be guaranteed to be the largest litter on record EVER...and I don't think having a pack of a trillion siblings from one litter would be much good for my rapidly diminishing sanity!:D
 
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You say he had his puppy vaccs with the breeder, is the name of the vet on his vaccination certificate, because if so that would be a good start. Can't really offer much more advice re tracing his history but if you get any more clues let us know.
There are often whites in rescue, have a look on Big Gsd which has links to the various rescues.
 
MurphysMinder said:
You say he had his puppy vaccs with the breeder, is the name of the vet on his vaccination certificate, because if so that would be a good start. Can't really offer much more advice re tracing his history but if you get any more clues let us know.
There are often whites in rescue, have a look on Big Gsd which has links to the various rescues.
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Thank you MM...I wasn't given anything at all -I was told he had literally till the monday or curtains as they were going home for hols. i had never met him,only a pic, but was a no brainer & he's here to stay!(I did try to foster him,but failed dismally before the transporters even handed the lead over..he came with baggage & luggage, & toys but no papers. I have his chip number via my vet scanning him but thats all - Petlog can't even disclose the vet, tho I would have thought the vets would have a log of chip numbers they issued or even petlog which vets reg'd which numbers?Thank you for the site suggestion( I will try avoiding them till house sold or the new house will need to be bigger than i can afford!...if they don't all eat me out of house & home before this sells!:o) I know it seems sad wanting to know, but the evenings are drawing in...:rolleyes:
 
CaveCanem said:
Well you sound like you have your head screwed on...sort of :p :D
Agree, Biggsd is a great organisation with a very active forum.
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Thank you..albeit screwed on backwards sometimes..or even at a jaunty angle..but still screwed on!:DI am going to have this framed!

Might post this on BigGSD later, but with slightly less info so I don't get any hopeful breeders... thanks
 
surprised you weren't able to get the original information from the microchip. if you know the area that he was sold to might be worth ringing around the vets themselves they are incredibly helpful if you let them know hes a rescue and your looking for his vac information.

You can also use the DOB if you can find someone with a copy of the relevant BRS if that fails call the KC and ask if they have a litter registered with that DOB in GSDs. Of course if not KC registered you might just have to go with the dog on the lead.

Good luck with your hunt.
 
CaveCanem said:
They're a bit anti-breeding, shall we say!
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Will any breeders be brave enough to own up there then?:p

horseloaner said:
surprised you weren't able to get the original information from the microchip. if you know the area that he was sold to might be worth ringing around the vets themselves they are incredibly helpful if you let them know hes a rescue and your looking for his vac information.

You can also use the DOB if you can find someone with a copy of the relevant BRS if that fails call the KC and ask if they have a litter registered with that DOB in GSDs. Of course if not KC registered you might just have to go with the dog on the lead.

Good luck with your hunt.
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Thank you..I did try asking the chip companies,but data protection etc-probably a good thing tho, but can't see why they should withhold the vet details..will try again,written rather than phone this time.Good plan re KC,sorry am having a blond moment..BRS? guessing breed reg something?:o have emailed kc & will try with vets next..Thank you:-)
 
Has Wildmoor changed her username? or left us? The only Wildmoor on here has never posted and has slightly different name? I must have frightened her away!

Oh...and I went to register on BigGSD...and the first thing I saw was a year old white GSD in almost identical circumstances to my boy..on the urgent or pts list...hugely awful & feel terrible now as I'd been so strong minded that i couldn't take on any more till I'd moved..having said that, think how much I'd save on heating.... I am not sure I should go on there till I've moved..but already checked back a few times hoping she will have found a home & desperately trying not to end up with a whole houseful...just yet. I know she's one of millions desperate..doesn't make me feel any better tho:(:(:(
 
if you can't find someone with a copy of the BRS (Breed Record Supplement) you need then call the KC archive dept and they will copy the relevant pages for 20p (unless its gone up in the last month) per page. I'd do the edition you think its in and the following just in case.

If the company won't provide the info your own Vet might be able to get it direct. Data Protection can be a bit of a minefield but you can ask if a letter can be forwarded to the vets on your behalf...
 
Despite what some vets & groups will tell you, the Data Protection Act does not apply to dogs and giving you details of a dog's veterinary treatment does not breach the law.
You could ask for the chip company/register to pass your details to the implanting vet asking for them to contact you or give you permission to contact them.for permission.
Whenever I have called in a number I have been given last known contact and implanter details so maybe get the rescue or your vet to enquire?
 
CC - thank you I shall try them too,

horseloaner said:
if you can't find someone with a copy of the BRS (Breed Record Supplement) you need then call the KC archive dept and they will copy the relevant pages for 20p (unless its gone up in the last month) per page. I'd do the edition you think its in and the following just in case.

If the company won't provide the info your own Vet might be able to get it direct. Data Protection can be a bit of a minefield but you can ask if a letter can be forwarded to the vets on your behalf...
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Thank you - I emailed KC via facebook and had an almost immediate reply with an email address who she seemed positive would have the info, so emailed them & am awaiting response(that dept don't have an fb page!) so once I'm in contact I will be able to ask for these, maybe even to be emailed..even if its more, I'm happy.(hope they aren't reading this!) I'll see how I get on here...will report back the second I have something!

s4sugar said:
Despite what some vets & groups will tell you, the Data Protection Act does not apply to dogs and giving you details of a dog's veterinary treatment does not breach the law.
You could ask for the chip company/register to pass your details to the implanting vet asking for them to contact you or give you permission to contact them.for permission.
Whenever I have called in a number I have been given last known contact and implanter details so maybe get the rescue or your vet to enquire?
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Good idea, thank you - and for clarifying the data protection - vet will be a better bet than the so called rescue..I ought not make further comment or will start blowing gaskets & issuing smoke from ears..lets just say just one of a few issues...and no where did I agree to have my details/address passed to the previous ill treater..ahem i mean abuser..oh blogger I meant "owner":mad:..in fact I expressly asked that absolutely no info was given what so ever....hey ho we live & learn..

Very grateful for everyones help:-)xxx
 
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