Dilute & Double Dilute TB stallions in the UK???

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As some of you may know, I stand a cremello TB stallion in Canada, and have recently sold a son of his to a client in Scotland, and the intention would be to show him and get him approved in some select WB registries before he embarks on a career at stud

What is the market like in the UK right now for dilute and double dilute TB stallions? Are any of them approved to any WB registries at all?

What about dilute and double dilute WB stallions? Are there any of those currently standing in the UK at all?

Here is a picture of my homebred buckskin & white sabino TB mare - Faux Finish - shown as a 2 year old:

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and as a 17hh 4 year old in her debut over fences:

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and her 2006 full palomino & white sabino brother - Remember My Name - as a yearling:

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Do you have many dilutes at all of any breed in the UK right now???
 
I noticed your yearling Remember My Name being advertised at stud the other day...he is a nice boy!

In answer to your question, I stand to be corrected as dilute breeding is not my forte, however I believe that a dilute UK bred cremello TB was accepted into Weatherby's this year as well as a few other imported ones already being accepted. There is another USA import in a Palomino TB colt (only a 2 yr old still I believe tho), who stands at Goshka Sports Horses and then the stallion Milky Way and a few other cremello WB stallions are very much coming to the fore in breeding over here, including McJonnas who is a young cremello that is graded with the SSH (http://umenno.com/mcjonnas.shtml) and there is also the stunning Palomino BWBS Dimaggio son standing at stud in Treliver Decanter.

Some other cremello and dilute stallions at stud here in the UK or that are being used by UK breeders are:

The stallions of Gestut Falkenhorst - most notably tehre is Milky Way, who is a graded WB, but they also stand other dilute TB stallions such as Glitter of Gold and The Alchemist who are both USA imports and from the sounds of it are likely to be related to your stallion.....

Crown's Blue Pearl http://www.crownhorse.com/ seems to be around a lot more and he is also a graded WB.

There are quite a few other dilute stallions up and coming now as well and I am sure that we will be seeing more over the next few years, as they seem to be growing in popularity. There also seem to be a lot of dilutes coming through in the Welsh breeds as there are quite a few Welsh cremello stallions at stud, as well as several PB Arab cremello, etc.
 
By the way True Colours - I love your page on the cool and unusual TB colourings....it has long been a point of reference to me and a lot of people I know!
 
EventRider - a client of mine bought the Remember My Name colt a few weeks after he was born so the intention was to leave him with me for a year or so and then ship him home to Scotland as a late 2 year old. He is a really stunning individual and he look like he will get to be very bit as tall and nice as his full sister - the Faux Finish mare - who should finish off in the 17-17.1hh range ...

and thanks for the list - some of those I was familiar with and some I had never heard of at all ...
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TarrSteps - just AMAZING who you run into on the net, isnt it?!
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Merry Christmas to you as well ...
 
True Colours - I look forward to seeing the Remember My Name colt when he comes over to the UK next year.....

I just remembered that the cremello TB that was approved Weatherby's this year is called Electrum, whose breeding you are no doubt familiar with. The stud who imported him from the USA also bred the first UK bred cremello TB colt this year who was by Falkehorst's cremello stallion The Alchemist. This is their link: http://electrum-cremello-tb-uk.com
 
There are only Electrum (cremello TB) and the one from Goshka (Palomino TB) in UK. None of them is licensed or approved as of yet, but Electrum is also much too young to have gone through this. What became of the Goshka Palomino I do not know.

Regarding for WB approved Cremello WB stallions in UK, that is a different thing. There are WB, Color and Sporthorse Associations and that is another different thing. There is grading and approval, listed, registered, licensed and approved status in UK. It is totally different then in Germany how this works. A listed or registered status stallion would be stallion book 2 in Germany as the book 1 starts with licensed only. In UK it is a bit similar than in US and Canada, you always find a way to have a stallion entered somehow for using it as a stallion even without an approval, much easier than what we encounter in Germany. Really sometimes I wish I would not have to go the German ways always!
 
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It is totally different then in Germany how this works. A listed or registered status stallion would be stallion book 2 in Germany as the book 1 starts with licensed only. In UK it is a bit similar than in US and Canada, you always find a way to have a stallion entered somehow for using it as a stallion even without an approval, much easier than what we encounter in Germany.

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Ahhh ... not QUITE Gwen ...
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I dont profess to know how it is all done in the UK, Germany, the USA or Canada with ALL of the various associations and registries, but I do know that Guaranteed Gold was approved in the "correct" manner with the CSHA (Canadian Sport Horse Association) as a 3-4 year old.

He initially went for his inspection where he was judged and marked on movement, type and conformation and was given his provisional licensing which was good for 1 year. He then needed to go out as a 4 year old and fulfill the performance requirements which then allowed him to be a licensed and accredited stallion with the CSHA. He can then move up through the ranks, from Bronze, Silver and Gold based on HIS performance results and the results of HIS offspring out in the show ring

So - I believe that this CSHA model follows the models of all of the accredited and respected German registries as well - correct?

Now maybe in some of the "lesser" registries this may be the case, but I know with Guaranteed Gold his owners at the time opted to do it properly, in the most stringent and "correct" registry that was available to them

So - dont paint all of the North American "registries" and "associations" with the same brush ...
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It was not meant specifically, it was meant in an overall and more general way. The YOU was not meant in any way towards you nor Guaranteed Gold, its the general YOU that we use.
 
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What became of the Goshka Palomino I do not know.

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Goshka have moved to France and The Gold Fox is there with them. I see that they have sold Goshka Festivo (coloured) to Switzerland.
 
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