Disunited in canter, backs and back people

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Our PB arab has a tendency to go disunited in canter when schooling. I think it is predominantly a schooling/training issue. I've had him a couple of months and he had mainly been jumped and hacked before. His trot has come on leaps and bounds and he now works in a nice outline and through his back most of the time. But in the canter transition he throws his head up and then can become disunited when we hit the next corner or go on a circle. He will also do flying changes (unasked!), but seems to do these less now that he is beginning to go on the correct bend.

At the moment, I'm trying to ignore the upward transition and work on the canter itself with the hope that once he learns to maintain the canter we can then start working on the transitions.

He has a new saddle (but did it with the old one as well), and has had his teeth checked. He also had a 5 stage vetting a couple of months ago, and the vet gave his back an extra check as I was a little concerned with his high head and tail carriage, but as I say he is PB arab and his way of going is what I would consider typically arab.

I would like to add at this point that he is 13'2" and 17 years old and has been bought as a confidence giver for my 13 year old. He is vey sane, and a lovely hack and doesn't disunite out hacking. If we can sort his canter out when schooling so that he can do the odd dressage test it would be great. But he meets all the requirements he was bought for, so it's not the end of the world if he doesn't. Interestingly he doesn't tend to disunite so often when son is riding, and I feel that is because son is not asking him to come round and through, whereas I tend ask for a little more. Our weights are around the same, and without wanting to blow my own trumpet, I probably have a more secure, and slightly lighter seat.

I want to get someone out to check his back just to eliminate any issues before I carry on with the schooling. My gut feel is that he's fine physically but would feel bad pushing him through this if he was in pain. My question is what sort of back person should I have? Also if anybody has dealt with anyone specifically in the Newbury area they could recommend, that would be great.

Many thanks. :)
 
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I would personally recommend a McTimoney practioner, the one I use has been wonderful with my horses and made a real difference. I think you are really sensible to get it checked out sooner rather than later. Do you have lessons on your pony? Would be interesting for you to have the opinion of someone really experienced too. Hope you get sorted x
 
I would get a physio recommendation from your vet. Might just be a little something that needs freeing up, they can also give you exercises to help.
 
We have one of those too! 13.2, part arab (chestnut), head and tail in the air, flying changes etc, sane, safe hack, confidence giver - I can put any of daughter's friends on, on or off lead rein and know he will be 100% safe - and he often picks up the wrong canter lead.

However he'd barely been ridden for the year prior to our getting him as companion (he's 20), and we have found with schooling, transitions, bend, circles etc over the summer - bearing in mind he's 2nd pony so he's not ridden massive amounts and often ridden by a different rider - he's got far more accurate in choice of canter lead.

We've almost had him a year but he didn't really get ridden till March, but it's really been since the summer holidays where he was ridden 3-4 x a week and got a lot more supple that we've noticed the difference. I would think as well as check over by vet to carry on as you are with the schooling and see how he improves? If he's not done much schooling in the recent past it's probably that he needs a reminder.
 
My horse is based on the Berks/Wilts border and has recently had the benefit of treatment by an excellent chiropractor and also an osteopath. Long term because of cost and ease of getting appointmnets we'll probably stick with the chiro, but both were very good, very interesting and not that expensive given the benefit/change in behaviour to the horse

Chloe Bennett-Williams BSc(hons) PG Dip AM Tel: 07709 489840

and Stuart McGregor (Osteopath-based in Wantage I believe, haven't got number to hand)
 
Thanks for the replies. There is a McTimoney person quite near us but I've never used one before. Have used physios before with my old mare. I think you may be right glosgirl and that he is probably a bit tight. Had thought about doing some carrot stretching etc.

I managed to get some (rather bad quality) video onto youtube. Unfortunately no canter, but I think he looks to be moving fairly freely in trot so wouldn't think it's a major problem (hope not anyway!). It's times like this when I miss being on a yard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-xcbLVUcMs

Would be interested to see what you think. Please ignore the numpty on top, and don't blink or you'll miss it!!

Thanks.

ETA: He used to be a giraffe in trot, and please note that the schooling area is on a slope, is bumpy and my Sec A was standing with his head over the fence immediately to the left of the camera!
 
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We had something like this develop last year in a warmblood (7 yo). It was a soreness in the area behind the saddle. We installed a haybar, lunged in a pessoa, did lots of hacking and had a good osteopath for a few sessions. Horse 100% fine within a couple of months.
 
We have one of those too! 13.2, part arab (chestnut), head and tail in the air, flying changes etc, sane, safe hack, confidence giver - I can put any of daughter's friends on, on or off lead rein and know he will be 100% safe - and he often picks up the wrong canter lead.

However he'd barely been ridden for the year prior to our getting him as companion (he's 20), and we have found with schooling, transitions, bend, circles etc over the summer - bearing in mind he's 2nd pony so he's not ridden massive amounts and often ridden by a different rider - he's got far more accurate in choice of canter lead.

We've almost had him a year but he didn't really get ridden till March, but it's really been since the summer holidays where he was ridden 3-4 x a week and got a lot more supple that we've noticed the difference. I would think as well as check over by vet to carry on as you are with the schooling and see how he improves? If he's not done much schooling in the recent past it's probably that he needs a reminder.

Hi Dubsie, I'm glad I'm not the only one. And although mine was in work, he hadn't been really schooled as such for the three years that the previous owners had him so not too different to yours. It's interesting because the trot has come quite quickly, so I think he probably had been schooled well in the dim and distant past. I also had the problem that every time I sat to the trot he wanted to canter, but we seem to have got through that now.

Thanks everyone else for your suggestions, I'll have a think about which avenue to go down. :)
 
Just a further post as I'm still in a bit of a dilemma as to which sort of back person to call out. The vet is happy that there is no major problem (as discussed in 5 stage vetting, checked for KS and other such issues). Are there some types of back people who need a vets referral (which I would rather avoid as it seems a little pointless having to call the vet out when he doesn't consider there to be a problem) and some that don't?

Also if anyone could pass comment on the brief video I got (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-xcbLVUcMs), I would appreciate it. I know it's not great, but he looks to me to be fairly 'through' in his trot, but would love to hear anyone else's opinions.

Thanks so much. :)
 
My Irish Draught has had problems ever since I bought him from Ireland as a 5 year old. How he passed a five stage vetting I'll never know. over the five years we've had him I've tried dozens of "back" people including McTimoney and Bowen which I hate to say had very little effect. Last year as a last ditch stand, I sent him to Sue Dyson at Newmarket for a full lameness work-up. Needless to say they couldn't pinpoint anything specific but admitted he had problems with his canter - being disunited and with a tendency to hop into canter from trot.

On a few recommendations on this forum, I contacted Julie Houghton, an Equine-Cranial therapist who came out three weeks ago. It's early days but I've seen more improvement in the last three weeks than in the last five years. She's coming out again in three weeks but for the first time in a long time I'm feeling positive.
 
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