Do I need PP for menage in my own garden?

[lizzib]

This is a really dumb question that was triggered by me thinking about the woodfibre post.

I have an existing 20 by 40m (ish) paddock within my grounds that I plan to use for general schooling. However I would like to maximise its use by potentially putting down a wood fibre surface.

Does it mean that I suddenly need PP for it? You don`t need PP for the fences..........so is the PP just to put the woodfibre down............which in all essence is the stuff you would scatter around a garden anyhow to mulch the plants?

I`m confused!

 

[Equestrian92]

Not sure but I know you need PP for a menage yes

 

[millitiger]

yes you do as you will be making a permanent change with the groundworks etc.

 

[Sprout]

Yes I think so.
We had to have planning permission for ours, and there were stipulations about surface in regard to run off into a nearby stream, floodlights prohibited etc.

 

[lizzib]

Hmmm I do find the whole thing quite funny really. It has a slight incline to it so drainage shouldn`t be an issue.

Originally I had it earmarked as a play area for my daughter.........we were just going to put one of those weed barriers down and then pile all of the wood chippings/fibre on top. The trampoline was going to be secured somewhere in it.

It was only when my sister said..........that will look just like a menage... you could ride your ponies in there it got me thinking!

 

[bristolgeezer]

It depends on whether you are going to build a permanent structure i guess. If you are just going to put down some terram and lay the woodchip, then my guess would be "no". If you are going to put in drains, stone, terram, etc, then "yes". I'd give your local planning office a call.

 

[lizzib]

Food for thought anyhow.

The pigs are about to go in there to clear out the brambles so have a bit of time yet to think about things.

 

[ihatework]

Speak to your planners.
There is definitely some sort of rule about structures within your garden boundary that makes it easier for PP requirements.
I know this because a friend of mine built stables within the garden boundary specifically due to that reason

 

[kerilli]

theoretically you do, because it is 'change of use of the land' from paddock to exercise area. you need pp to put jumps up in a field too, btw.
people up the road from me put a manege in without pp though, in the grounds of a Grade II listed house.

you can get away with it if you have no near neighbours, i guess... but if you intend to move house within 10 yrs i think you do need pp in case it comes up then.

 

[ihatework]

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/1app/guidance/guidance_note-householder.pdf

OP - here you go, I think this is what my friend went through ...
I think you can get away with a household planning application rather than full planning permission - this is a simpler/cheaper route.

This is on the basis that the area you refer to is considered part of your garden rather than a separate paddock with equestrian use clause

Just re-read your original post and yopu say 'grounds' - if grounds mean paddocks then you need full PP, if grounds mean garden you might be able to get away with household PP

 

[lizzib]

The rented field that the ponies are on wraps around our 1 acre property. They come and go as they please through a gap in the hedgerow into an enclosed area within our garden that is supposed to be my lawn area (I went soft and like them to come up to say hello to me when I`m pottering outside!)
The other enclosed area that I have my eye on is also within the garden boundaries.

I`m also hoping for that reason to put a field shelter just inside my garden space facing into the rented field to save on the PP.

HTH

Liz

 

[4leggedfurries]

PP is a tricky one, so i'd check with your local planning office. I'm lucky I dont need PP for my arena, because we have discovered that as my property is classed as equestrian, rather than agricultual or standard living, its is a natural progression to have an arena. This has been confirmed to us and i'm not just saying it.

 

[OWLIE185]

You do require planning permission to build a Menage even if it is within the curtilage of your house.

Even if you have an equestrian property you would need planning permission for a menage.

Be aware that if you ask for flood lighting that this will make it more difficult.

When you put in for the planning application make it quite clear that it is only for your personal use or that of your family.

 

[ellamanamou]

if it is your garden land then no you wont need planning permission. you can also put stables in your garden without planning permission. it is classed as general permitted developement for incidental enjoyment of the dwelling. we have been down all avenues for the last 2 years . all developement must not take up over 50% of the garden though , and be 6 metres from a boundary , apart from that enjoy !