Do we have to be notified when there is a bike race?

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We had a number of unpleasant experiences a couple of weekends ago when 5000 cyclists were on a race around Ranmore. Seemed to mostly go for the single track roads and we had incidents of a lot of near misses with various drivers en route to the yard. Unfortunately a lot of cyclists do treat these narrow roads like race tracks and there is nothing funny about coming up a narrow road only to find a number heading all towards you. Even worst when I had the misfortune to meet them on horseback. Being screamed at to get of the way as "this is a race" is not helpful. No previous signs or advance warnings...Ranmore is an area of outstanding natural beauty with a lot of walkers, hikers, riders and mountain bikers. All of whom work fine with each other but these road cyclists are making it unpleasant. It is also means an accident will happen as some of these roads are really narrow with high hedges and going flat out is just asking for something to happen.

So deep breath,, is there anywhere that something like this HAS to be registered? On the funny side, we frequency see extremely rude home made signs about the cyclists... Not from us I hasten to add!
 
We have cycle races going on around our lanes frequently and they are usually cycling at least three a breast sometimes even more. The cycle club do put up signs the day before but if they encounter a car or worse a horse whilst they are racing they never give way or move over, they just expect you to sit behind them and wait or get out of their way. They rarely say thank you and if you pass comment to them about moving over on the narrow country lanes you get a torrent of verbal abuse.:mad:
 
how awful - I would have thought a big event they would have to.

A local club has a small club race by my yard on a week night but I only know because i asked them. Although they are good and on one horsey hissy fit they did stop so we could pass - did wonder afterwards if i should tell the organisers so they could take that into account for them!
 
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even if they are racing they still have to obey the hi-way code. if i was you i would contact the club and remind them and also send the same letter to the police

on a more lighter note, do you know any farmers with a tractor and a rear slurry spreader, wouldn't it be nice to maybe accidentally (not on purpose honest gov) switch on the spreader with a whole herd of them in Lycra behind you just image the smell:rolleyes: (not suggesting you do this but just think of the picture)
 
http://www.southeastcycling.co.uk/news/cycleracingadmin.htm

gives some useful details.

Basically all races have to be notified to the police. Signing seems to be more of a grey area, although all race organisers should be putting up warning signs. However what isnt a grey area is that they have to abide by all aspects of the highway code and that includes not obstructing the highway and also giving special consideration to pedestrians and horseriders and not abusing other road users!!

If you can find out who ran the race I would be asking to meet up with them to ensure that the race is run properly next time and these issues dont occur. Better that way than a straight off complaint, as once not in the organised race the cylists as individuals if they get chippy about horseriders might behave even worse. But if you dont get an improvement from dialogue then a formal complaint to them and if nothing works, to the police would be in order if they are causing a hazards and being abusive while doing it. They will soon find permission revoked, and they know it so it should focus minds.

The above link does show how hard some groups do try to make things work well with horsderiders.
 
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We have cycle races going on around our lanes frequently and they are usually cycling at least three a breast sometimes even more. The cycle club do put up signs the day before but if they encounter a car or worse a horse whilst they are racing they never give way or move over, they just expect you to sit behind them and wait or get out of their way. They rarely say thank you and if you pass comment to them about moving over on the narrow country lanes you get a torrent of verbal abuse.:mad:
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Dont have them frequently, fortunately, but this is what happens.
I drove slowly round a blind bend to be met by a group three abreast that swore at ME for being in the way:confused:

No other vehicles, for want of a better word, can legally race on the roads in this way , they were also crossing a very busy A road with noone seeing them across risking causing an accident, it is the attitude they seem to have, seriously aggressive I am surprised they dont have or cause more accidents.
 
If it is on Ranmore Common then speak to the National Trust as they own the common on one side and Polesden Lacey on the other side of Ranmore Common road. Ask if they are aware of the racing and if they could let you have the dates for when the racing is likely to take place. Call the Regional Office at Polesden Lacey or pop into Warren Barn Farm on Headley Road, Box Hill (take the road down the side of Juniper Hall and keep going until you see a farm yard on the right hand side!) speak to the Area Manager for the Countryside Properties.

On the funny side I was riding yesterday here in Lincs and there was a charity cycle race going on, the pony decided it was the Derby and he had to race them. Whenthat didn't work he was jogging sideways and attempting to knock them off their bikes. 4 miles I had to put up with that.
 
we have a number of 'footpaths' running through the farm where we keep our horses, one of which runs around the perimiter of the woods that are next to the fields. a couple of weeks ago we were just finishing off all horse were out, and suddenly from out of the woods came,about 30/40 cyclists, shouting horns /syren things going, horse went berserk paniacking etc, they didnt slow down or quiten down, the cows even started going mad some with week old calves at foot! No respect for the livestock whatso ever, told land owner, she said to get her next time and she will go after them in the truck and tear them off a strip, thet were on private land, all be it a public 'footpath' FOOTPATH being the operative word!:)
 
We have them almost weekly round here. The bikes whizzing silently up behind seem to spook the calmest of horses, so I had a word with the local cycling club and explained the problem and asked if they could perhaps be a bit more considerate, and shout a warning to any riders. They did seem to take it on board and show more consideration. It might be worth finding out who the local clubs/organisers of the race are and speak to them.
 
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We have cycle races going on around our lanes frequently and they are usually cycling at least three a breast sometimes even more. The cycle club do put up signs the day before but if they encounter a car or worse a horse whilst they are racing they never give way or move over, they just expect you to sit behind them and wait or get out of their way. They rarely say thank you and if you pass comment to them about moving over on the narrow country lanes you get a torrent of verbal abuse.:mad:
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This is my experience of some of them as well, twalleys in lycra who dont pay road tax and expect to take up the whole road, giving way to nobody and hurling abuse at you if you dont move for them, some are great but a fair few arent, Ive had one roaring at me ..... "This is a *********g cycle route" when i verbally and signed asking him to slow, then when he ignored me , coming up at a fair speed I shouted and signed to ask him to stop for 20 secs until i opened the gate to put a skittish horse into the field, the cycle route runs past the front of the farm, again ignored me, then to his surprise she swung her quarters around at him as he whizzed by, didnt kick out but spun out at speed.
I was then subject to verbal abuse and swearing that i was a freaking barsteward whereby, he got the same back, and told he was asked twice to let me get this horse into the field and to slow down, then when ignoring these requests asked to stop as this was a narrow country road and i had nowhere to go but into the field. As i was putting the horse into the field he then turned his bike and started shouting coming back at me and the horse again, telling me not to swear at him !!!! After the abuse and swearing id just been subject to by him, i was so mad by then i was shouting back, bring it on you arrogent **********g arse, this might be a cycle route but its also a public road and the route to my field. The pratt then went on his way but i was so angry that he had the hard neck to create the problem and not acknowledge had he slowed down when asked i couldve been out of the way in 20 secs ..... And its not his private bloomin cycle route.
 
I have complained many times about these ********s. I can tell you that the cycling clubs do not give a bugger about horse riders, they have admitted to me that they break the law regarding their marshall's behaviour and their cycling. You absolutely must report it to the police every time you get these problems. We have lots of road racing in my village. It is a nightmare, the locals are so angry about it that they actually try to block the cycle racing using their cars.

Please, please report it to the police, they are the only one's who can do anything about the cycle races.
 
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This is my experience of some of them as well, twalleys in lycra who dont pay road tax and expect to take up the whole road, giving way to nobody and hurling abuse at you if you dont move for them,
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Would that be the same as riders out hacking who don't pay road tax then?

As I've had far more abuse from horse riders than cyclists over the years, and I drive very slowly.

Yep, the police get notified when a cycle race is taking place. The roads aren't only for you to enjoy your sport, but others too. I'm a bit puzzled as to how cyclists would be able to race at speed on narrow lanes without direction arrows pointing out which way for them to take...

Speaking as someone who has competed in mountain biking and road cycling, and also BS and showing, give me cyclists any day. Far more pleasant, less abusive, well adjusted people than your average nutjob horsewoman! (although I have to admit I've just come back from a day spent with a bunch of spoilt "showjumping princess avec mummy", and my views may currently be slightly biased).
 
The police and the local council have to be informed. And usual practice is to have a notice put up at all main junctions indicating the date on which the bike race will take place.
 
Luci07 said:
On the funny side, we frequency see extremely rude home made signs about the cyclists... Not from us I hasten to add!
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Oooh I have not seen these - take a pic next time?

With regard to cycle races, I would take note of the club jerseys of the offending cyclists and inform the police (on the non-emergency number, natch) as well as whoever their club secretary is. They may be racing, but they should still obey the Highway Code AND common rules of courtesy to other road users.
 
Interesting thread. Our local cycle club hold weekly time trials which go past our yard. They also seem to send out convoys of bikes at the weekends, they form little groups which are a nightmare to pass in your car and scare the horses!! I complained to them last year as they overtook a car which was waiting behind me and Che as an oncoming car was approaching. I was told they use our route as it is the right mileage and a circular route with all left hand turns so no giving way to traffic needed. I asked whether that exempted them from following normal highway code practise and was told "No, they should behave correctly with regards to other road users. If possible get the number of the cyclists who are behaving badly and report them to the club" Difficult to do whilst trying to control a horse, upset by the swooshing of x number of racing bikes flying past, Che is brilliant in traffic but these are the silent monsters!! They cause chaos tbh as the roads are all b roads and mostly twisty so traffic ends up stacking in between the nicely spaced out cyclists. And they say horse riders are a traffic nuisance!!
 
Mithras, in my village we are subjected to lots of cycle races. I will tell what happens. You are happily hacking along down the road and then a car drives at you, down the centre of the road - he is the lead marshall - he has lights flashing on top of his car. Behind him is a group of cyclists, who cover both sides of the road. They do not consider that a horse rider should be on the road at this time, they expect you to get out of their way. As they pass, the cyclists usually shout delightful things like "get out of the f'ing way". During the race, if you approach any junction you can be unlucky to find that road marshalls will stand in the road waving a large red flag, to stop cars and horse riders from blocking the junction and allow the cycle race to "flow". This is illegal as they are not allowed to stop traffice, but they do it anyway. They don't five a minkeys if the flag waving scares your horse. When they finish the race, they all stop suddenly and block the entire road - both sides of the road. They then sit and chat about their race. They won't move if you are trying to drive a car along the road.

I am not against cyclists at all, in fact the VAST majority are really nice people enjoying the countryside, but large groups of cycle races are dangerous, and they clubs just gaily to their own thing, happily breaking the law. How more of them are not killed is beyond me, because believe me they will cycle on both sides of the road, around blind bends.
 
we have time trials every weds through the summer and i have to say I find the riders the most arrogant ignorant road users I have met .Their starting place is right outside my field gate as this is the start of a 10 mile circuit ,if I arrive when they are there they reluctantly move just enough for me to park then I cant see to get back on to road as they are all over it ,to add to that severel times I have driven past when they are there I have seen them peeing in my gateway ,disgusting :-(
 
You have no idea when they are starting their races. They claim that they put notices up, but that is not true. Sometimes you see a tatty little piece of paper on a random telegraph pole, written in biro that is so faded you can't read it.

The cycle clubs are not local, they live miles from us, they just prefer our roads than cycling in Croydon where they would all get run over, or shot by the locals. They have no idea where the livery yards are, so they could not inform riders even if they could be bothered to make the effort.

We had an incident where a childs pony bolted and the kid was dumped on the side of the road. Did the cyclists stop - course not - it would have ruined their race.
 
Most bike races start around 9.00 / 10.00 am.

Ride out at 7.00 and you'll have missed the whole thing.

We had an incident where a childs pony bolted and the kid was dumped on the side of the road. Did the cyclists stop - course not - it would have ruined their race.
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And of course, that will have been reported to the police, and appropriate action taken.....
 
There are a lot of ignorant inconsiderate cyclists on the road, either individuals or groups.
There are also lots of ignorant inconsiderate horse-riders.

However the way I see it it everybody should be entitled to access the roads for their sport / enjoyment and we should be as tolerant as we possibly can be. If such events are flouting the law or really causing a nuisance then speak to the organisers and explain your point of view and ask for some consideration. Even better just a warning of when they will be racing so that you can avoid riding at that time.

I can sympathise, I ran into a 200 strong off road mountain bike race while hacking solo on my normally un-flappable 5yo!

We met them on a narrow bridleway and my horse was incredibly upset, I'm a very good/confident rider out hacking, and I struggled to contain the situation. Of the rider 90% were fantastic, and despite being in a race, slowed down, tried to make space for me and were generally pleasant. The remaining 10% nearly caused a serious accident :(
 
Its not too bad if the organisers put up signs before the race because at least you are forewarned, but we often get swarms of them and as a breed, they are incredibly rude and show no regard for other road users.
They are the only people who consistently dangerous and arrogant, give me motorbikers and lorry drivers anyday. In comparison, they are a positive delight.

Out riding on a bridleway we encountered a lone lycra-boy who shot past us out of nowhere like a bat out of hell, shouting abuse because he had to slow down momentarily.
Families out walking looked in amazement at this idiot, so my ex cantered after him. The guy saw them looming over him and turned white.
Ex asked him what the bloody hell he thought he was doing and lycra-boy turned a whiter shade of pale and pedalled madly to escape.
Ex recieved a round of appaulse from the bystanders, highly entertained by the vision of a huge horse bearing down on the guy, who suddenly wasn't quite so brave or gobby.
 
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Mithras, in my village we are subjected to lots of cycle races. I will tell what happens. You are happily hacking along down the road and then a car drives at you, down the centre of the road - he is the lead marshall - he has lights flashing on top of his car. Behind him is a group of cyclists, who cover both sides of the road. They do not consider that a horse rider should be on the road at this time, they expect you to get out of their way. As they pass, the cyclists usually shout delightful things like "get out of the f'ing way". During the race, if you approach any junction you can be unlucky to find that road marshalls will stand in the road waving a large red flag, to stop cars and horse riders from blocking the junction and allow the cycle race to "flow". This is illegal as they are not allowed to stop traffice, but they do it anyway. They don't five a minkeys if the flag waving scares your horse. When they finish the race, they all stop suddenly and block the entire road - both sides of the road. They then sit and chat about their race. They won't move if you are trying to drive a car along the road.

I am not against cyclists at all, in fact the VAST majority are really nice people enjoying the countryside, but large groups of cycle races are dangerous, and they clubs just gaily to their own thing, happily breaking the law. How more of them are not killed is beyond me, because believe me they will cycle on both sides of the road, around blind bends.
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You see, I will never understand a lot of this because I spent many of my formative years living in the Netherlands and Germany and then at uni there. This is what happens in Oss or Enschede or Zevenaar when there is a cycle race or triathlon or similar: people are more sporty and into taking exercise in other parts of Europe outside Britain, so the whole community tends to come out to watch, or wave at competitors from their doorsteps. Its considered a postiive thing for people to be sporty and to race and train, so everyone knows to expect cyclists in the evenings, especially in the summer, as generally they are hard working people who have jobs and so have to race/train then. The local police/authortities permit the organisers to control road safety and the roads tend to be closed. (whereas closing a road in the UK for even a major event is almost impossible). Yes its slightly inconvenient for people, but as a society, the benefits outweigh the negatives. Overall, I would say people are more relaxed and not looking for excuses to prevent other people doing healthy hobbies and to abuse each other, and are happy to see other people enjoying themselves. Neither do they consider that one sport is superior to the other, although perhaps there is an appreciation that racing is more important than training. But this is because as I said people tend to be more sporty in general and either have participated in a wider variety of competitive sports themselves, or have relatives or friends who do so.

What I would tend to do if I knew there was a cycle race on would be to school that night. A bit like I would avoid hacking at the main commuter time. I can only think the smallest club training events would not have direction arrows up, so thats how you can tell an event is on.

Why don't cyclists have more accidents? Because you develop really good balance and motor skills from riding a bike at speed. I'm often a bit shocked as to how unathletic some horseriders are, and how they always seem to injure themselves quite badly when they come off. The other thing that shocks me, as I do both sports, is how dependent a lot of equestrian competitors are on their family support network and don't actually do the sport as an independent adult on their own.

I'm afraid this is just something I cannot get worked up about. I'd just stay very relaxed about the whole thing, as for the life of me, I cannot understand this British hatred of cyclists, especially when the rest of the country is in such a mess.

And I have never, ever, met as bad behaving a cyclist as some of the spoilt princesses of the equestrian world. Just vile, some of them!
 
Ahh cyclists! Might I say I am one, but I hate them!
I met several racing whilst doing an endurance ride on one occasion, they were exceptionally rude, and said they were racing, I pointed out that so was I!
My other pet hate is cyclists who cycle next to the cycle lane, I have got out of my car and screamed at a few when I lived in Cambridge. I have also pointed out to a few (politley) when they are on the bridleway that horses may kick if surprised, and that it is, as stated a bridleway. Yes he can sue, but if he's in the hospital that may be little consolation!
Also, if they are on the road, and cause the accident, although they may be more badly injured than the other party, for instance if they are on the wrong side of the road, they will still be at fault, and not entitled to anything!
 
I am a racing cyclist (time triallist) as well as a horse rider/owner ... and I've seen both some cyclists and some horseriders display very inconsiderate behaviour around other road users.

Time trials require police notification (not approval), should be signed and marshalled at all junctions. For small clubnight (7-8pm) training time trials, there are sometimes no marshals as only 10 or so riders (not 100 like on a weekend open competition) but there should still be signage.

BHS's Sheila Hardy also has a foot in both camps. She is also Chair of Cycling Time Trials (the national governing body of CTT) and presents the awards at the annual dinner each winter.

There are more of us that race or ride bicycles (or motorbikes) as well as ride horses than you might think.

Sheila and those of us who do both sports are in good positions to spread the word about working together, consideration for each other, etc. Thanks to Sheila the CTT annual handbook, which lists all the events, contains a full page of advice to riders on how to approach/pass horses/horseriders.

One sad thing about the UK is all the little groups are pitched against each other all the time - landowners v public access, cyclists v walkers v riders, urban v rural, etc, etc. When we work together and settle our differences, we achieve so much more.

I'm convinced that many of our governments' policies over the years (eg defra setaside/public access, or public rights of way classification) are designed deliberately to keep the "small people" argueing with each other at ground level. We could achieve so much more in this country if all of us small-people settled our differences, saw the light and worked together. Echo Mithras.

As for the original poster's comments, I apologise on behalf of cyclists for the foul-mannered cyclists you've met. They, like rogue horseriders, achieve nothing except to give the majority an unwarranted bad name.
 
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You see, I will never understand a lot of this because I spent many of my formative years living in the Netherlands and Germany and then at uni there. This is what happens in Oss or Enschede or Zevenaar when there is a cycle race or triathlon or similar: people are more sporty and into taking exercise in other parts of Europe outside Britain, so the whole community tends to come out to watch, or wave at competitors from their doorsteps. Its considered a postiive thing for people to be sporty and to race and train, so everyone knows to expect cyclists in the evenings, especially in the summer, as generally they are hard working people who have jobs and so have to race/train then. The local police/authortities permit the organisers to control road safety and the roads tend to be closed. (whereas closing a road in the UK for even a major event is almost impossible). Yes its slightly inconvenient for people, but as a society, the benefits outweigh the negatives. Overall, I would say people are more relaxed and not looking for excuses to prevent other people doing healthy hobbies and to abuse each other, and are happy to see other people enjoying themselves. Neither do they consider that one sport is superior to the other, although perhaps there is an appreciation that racing is more important than training. But this is because as I said people tend to be more sporty in general and either have participated in a wider variety of competitive sports themselves, or have relatives or friends who do so.

What I would tend to do if I knew there was a cycle race on would be to school that night. A bit like I would avoid hacking at the main commuter time. I can only think the smallest club training events would not have direction arrows up, so thats how you can tell an event is on.

Why don't cyclists have more accidents? Because you develop really good balance and motor skills from riding a bike at speed. I'm often a bit shocked as to how unathletic some horseriders are, and how they always seem to injure themselves quite badly when they come off. The other thing that shocks me, as I do both sports, is how dependent a lot of equestrian competitors are on their family support network and don't actually do the sport as an independent adult on their own.

I'm afraid this is just something I cannot get worked up about. I'd just stay very relaxed about the whole thing, as for the life of me, I cannot understand this British hatred of cyclists, especially when the rest of the country is in such a mess.

And I have never, ever, met as bad behaving a cyclist as some of the spoilt princesses of the equestrian world. Just vile, some of them!
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Re. this ......... am entering the foray. My dear old dad was a member of the Cyclists Touring Club and spent many happy hours pursuing his sport, so let me say here that I am not in any way "anti-cyclist".

HOWEVER, the poster of this maybe doesn't realise that its bl@ddy hard trying to look anything like a "princess", whether "spoilt" or otherwise, if you're out hacking on a hard tarmac, slippery surface, and suddenly all hell's let loose because something silent and fast has just come up behind your horse. My old boy was 101% bombproof and he'd still shoot off if a cyclist came up behind him. The problem is that when you're suddenly frightened like this - and/or your sitting on a ton of horseflesh suddenly tanking either towards other road users or putting itself and you in danger because its losing its footing on hard tarmac, its pretty damned hard to react in any other way than anger. Its human nature, when we're frightened, we become angry. Horses when they become scared, have the flight response, you can't change that.

Personally I think the Powers That Be need to address the whole situation of other road users apart from motor vehicles who are required by law to have insurance.

IMO cyclists AND horse-riders, and anyone else who uses the public highway should have mandatory public liability insurance in situ. Also perhaps some form of testing as far as knowledge of the highway code and/or road safety should be considered as it is obvious that some cyclists and road users do NOT understand the hand signal to "Stop" and blatently ignore it. Yes OK so more legislation & more hassle & yes, expense, but I think something has to be considered along these lines.
 
We get cycle racers on my stretch of the A1. They park in the lay-by in front of my house get changed, warm up then set off (do I really want to see a bunch of lycra clad blokes warming up on stationary bikes right in front of my house? NO it spoils my view of the calves in the field). This usually takes plays most Sundays/Saturdays (can't remember which) in summer.

The village magazine is always filled with angry letter about the cyclists ranging from:

They blocked my drive for the entire day - This happens several times
They left litter every where
Took up the entire road
Rude
Almost caused an accident when you try to get on or off the A1
The people in charge of the race parked their camper van on private land without permission. Then refused to move it.

The list goes on...
 
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MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
HOWEVER, the poster of this maybe doesn't realise that its bl@ddy hard trying to look anything like a "princess", whether "spoilt" or otherwise, if you're out hacking on a hard tarmac, slippery surface, and suddenly all hell's let loose because something silent and fast has just come up behind your horse.
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All I want...apart from Nikkimariet's legs for myself...is for cyclists to understand a bit more about how a horse's mind works. Then they can work out the rest for themselves :o
 
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
Horses when they become scared, have the flight response, you can't change that.
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Well, I hack my showjumpers, including my five year old, and if I couldn't control their flight response, I'd be a bloody liability to all road users!

MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
Personally I think the Powers That Be need to address the whole situation of other road users apart from motor vehicles who are required by law to have insurance.
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Good point. All cyclist who race have compulsary insurance, either through their race license or a temporary license for that race provided by the organiser, or through their club for a club event. They will not let you ride without it, nor without a helmet. Which is certainly more than many horseriders.

MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
IMO cyclists AND horse-riders, and anyone else who uses the public highway should have mandatory public liability insurance in situ. Also perhaps some form of testing as far as knowledge of the highway code and/or road safety should be considered as it is obvious that some cyclists and road users do NOT understand the hand signal to "Stop" and blatently ignore it. Yes OK so more legislation & more hassle & yes, expense, but I think something has to be considered along these lines.
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Maybe it would actually be safer if we all stayed indoors without being issued with the appropriate license by the local authority?

However, from a legal viewpoint, it is horseriders who should be at the front of this, and in The Netherlands, do require to pass a test and gain a certificate from the local authority to hack out. In the UK, you are strictly liable for injuries or loss caused by an animal belonging to you, which is not the case if you own a bicycle, so your point would make more sense when applied to horseriders, and not cyclists. Might I suggest that a little education of some horseriders in terms of understanding that others may have different needs on the roads to them might not also go amiss?

Its at this time of year, I have good memories of my local town in The Netherlands, which would be shut down on a Saturday afternoon for various annual events, such as the triathlon, the cycle race, the motorcycle parade, the local festival, whatever. Stalls would be set up serving free food and pancakes, people would relax, traffic would be diverted, just a nice time. So much more civilised than people stopping their cars to "scream" at people cycling, as has just been described above.

So in answer to the original question, do we have to be notified when there is a bike race, the answer would seem to be for the local community to become more integrated, rather than doing this quite frankly bizarre thing of taking stroppy stances and acting like opposing factions.
 
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I live in an area where there are bike races very regularly and they can be a real inconvenience to other road users. I was sworn at the other day as my boy took a dump just as some racing cyclists zoomed up like silent wheeled ninjas behind me. Childish I know, but I had a chuckle to myself as they swerved around the poo :D
 
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