i have an ablion legend 5000 17.5" MW fit in havanna with suede seat & knee that my boy has outgrown & i didn't think to px when i bought a new one
If looking - I have a 17.5 black leather Bates in tip top condition. Have narrow, narrow-medium and medium gullet to chose from plus stirrups, numbnah and girth...
Great saddle, just doesn't fit properly (high whithered horse).