Doesn't really set a good example

That poor woman, how awful. :( Can't imagine the state I'd be in if that happened to my cat.

Only positive thing to say about it is that at least the hunt are taking full responsibility and apologising, but not sure how that helps that poor cat and the owner. :(
 
Oh my god! Paris - it';s definitely not uncommon :(
Realistically, once a pack of hounds has found something, how easy is it really to call them off before they've actually caught/caused damage to the animal? Some daft city folk have made some ridiculous laws...
 
Shuts mouth firmly and backs rapidly out of this thread.

But not before wondering if this sad event would have got the same publicity if it was the neighbours Jack Russel, Border collie, Heinz 57 or Greyhound had done the same thing?
 
Enfys said:
Shuts mouth firmly and backs rapidly out of this thread.

But not before wondering if this sad event would have got the same publicity if it was the neighbours Jack Russel, Border collie, Heinz 57 or Greyhound had done the same thing?
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Agreed!

I know that this is not the first instance of hounds killing a cat but, in all my years hunting I have only heard of a couple of occasions when this has happened.
I have, on the other hand heard and know of several greyhounds that have killed neighbours cats. That never reaches the news.
 
"Trained to kill"???

Okay, she's just lost her cat, but she isn't half spouting some rubbish... Believe it or not, being the descendants of wolves, it does in fact come naturally.

And with Enfys RE. Breed and owner distinction. No one cares if lurchers, staffies, pitbulls etc kill cats cos they're not owned by toffs...
 
Foxhunter49 said:
Agreed!

I know that this is not the first instance of hounds killing a cat but, in all my years hunting I have only heard of a couple of occasions when this has happened.
I have, on the other hand heard and know of several greyhounds that have killed neighbours cats. That never reaches the news.
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I must admit that thought hadn't even crossed my mind but you have a very good point. Would like to add though that I would see that as equally as tragic as what's happened here, but agree that it wouldn't be news because it isn't as inflammatory and by the sounds of it has happened more.

That said I'm closing mouth too as not been around long enough to start a war!
 
Enfys said:
Shuts mouth firmly and backs rapidly out of this thread.

But not before wondering if this sad event would have got the same publicity if it was the neighbours Jack Russel, Border collie, Heinz 57 or Greyhound had done the same thing?
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of course it wouldn't, no one was interested when 2 local staffies 'escaped' and played a game of tug with my neighbours cat in her own garden, police not interested and certainly not the media!!
 
So sad. I never thought about it. Is be more than livid if any dogs killed my cat or other pet. Sorry doesn't cit it, especially if the behaviour doesn't change. Is expect a domestic dog to be muzzled in future. And in my area any attack on pets by any dog staff or otherwise is in the news.
 
These threads normally develop thus:

- People with prey driven dogs come along and say that for some dogs, especially of certain breeds and types, it is an inherent instinct to chase and catch small furry things and sometimes cats find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time, we humans mess up and the worst happens. This is not the fault of the dog, it is the fault of the handler for not being vigilant and usually (awaits flaming) involves elderly cats who cannot get away quick enough.
- People who do not have prey driven dogs and have never had to deal with that type of dog, come along and say because their Tricky Woo has never looked twice at a cat, no other dog should and the people with prey driven dogs are lazy and cannot be bothered to train their dogs
- People who have managed to train their dogs out of it make good points and are ignored
- The dog haters come along and say they should all be muzzled and shot, or was that shot then muzzled?

It was a horrible accent and must have been awful for the lady but the hunt and CA have apologised.
 
Paris1 said:
So sad. I never thought about it. Is be more than livid if any dogs killed my cat or other pet. Sorry doesn't cit it, especially if the behaviour doesn't change. Is expect a domestic dog to be muzzled in future. And in my area any attack on pets by any dog staff or otherwise is in the news.
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Right that's it, I am definitely out of this thread now, I have visions of entire packs of hounds muzzled and on leashes.
 
Paris1 said:
Not suggesting packs muzzled, I don't think there is a solution.
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I think I agree ... unless the hunt was banned altogether (whether that is considered to be an option or not). There will always be cases of dogs mauling cats, or any other living being, and if there was a simple and easy was of avoiding it then it probably wouldn't happen in the first place. Although I imagine that a single dog happening upon a cat and killing it is different from a whole pack of hounds actual on a hunt.
 
Right I am no expert and I might be talking through my hat here but...not that it makes much difference to the owner, IMO the cat would have probably died instantly when it was first grabbed because of the poundage/pressure exerted on it by the dog's jaws, usually the internal injuries and crush injuries inflicted by larger dogs mean it is curtains for the cat/rabbit *cough*/small furry thing in seconds.
Most dogs don't want to eat cats. Like a ball or a toy, they will 'possess' and carry them around for a while at most.
My old bitch killed three of my pet rabbits over the years (she was fine when supervised but she escaped twice) and never touched them once they were dead and cold. They looked like they were sleeping.
She just wanted to stop them moving and hold them in her mouth. Once they had stopped moving they were of no interest to her.

When there are more dogs added to the mix, that's when the ragging happens because the other dogs want to possess/carry the thing, which happens to be an animal. But like I say, the animal is usually dead by then.

JMO.
 
TBH I couldn't give a flying **** if this cat was killed by a pack of foxhounds, an escaped terrier, or the next door's poodle!
It was still killed by dogs which had been trained and were supposedly being controlled by humans.
If I was the owner I would be devastated and maybe her reaction is a knee jerk one. So ******** what if it is. I wonder how many of you would be pissed off or feel really sickened and upset that one of your loved pets had just been killed in front of your eyes.
It is very easy to take the backstep view from behind your keys on a friggin keyboard sat at home or wherever perusing HHO. None of you are this person and I think some of the people posting should remember that when you make your rather opinionated posts.
I am not anti hunting btw, never will be. What happened could be considered an accident as these dogs are not trained to kill cats, however they are trained to kill.
This woman is clearly grieving and I for one can understand that. The fact that these dogs gained access into a garden though does worry me, especially when you consider the miles and miles of countryside that we have. I would welcome an investigation into this incident and recommend that future hunts take place as far away from residential areas as possible!
 
Serenity087 said:
I wonder what a pack in full cry and muzzles would sound like though... muffled?probably not as good...
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No they wouldn't.

I really do feel for the poor lady let no one doubt that, it would be a truly callous person that didn't.

I can see this de-generating into the usual argument.

Right, horses to see to.

ps. my sweatshirt today says 'Liberty and Livelihood' which rather puts me firmly on one side of the fence rather than sitting on top of it.
 
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CaveCanem said:
These threads normally develop thus:

- People with prey driven dogs come along and say that for some dogs, especially of certain breeds and types, it is an inherent instinct to chase and catch small furry things and sometimes cats find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time, we humans mess up and the worst happens. This is not the fault of the dog, it is the fault of the handler for not being vigilant and usually (awaits flaming) involves elderly cats who cannot get away quick enough.
- People who do not have prey driven dogs and have never had to deal with that type of dog, come along and say because their Tricky Woo has never looked twice at a cat, no other dog should and the people with prey driven dogs are lazy and cannot be bothered to train their dogs
- People who have managed to train their dogs out of it make good points and are ignored
- The dog haters come along and say they should all be muzzled and shot, or was that shot then muzzled?

It was a horrible accent and must have been awful for the lady but the hunt and CA have apologised.
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well said!
 
Exactly Fantasy_World. That is what I was implying in my post, re. the difference between hunting dogs and pet dogs. It's irrelevant how much or little pain the cat was in, the point is that the dogs shouldn't have been in the woman's garden in the 1st place. Accidents happen, and while it may not directly have been anyone's fault, I blame their owners/handlers.
 
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